Originally Posted by: Mike Jones
Rofl xtechjunkie what a moron. The PS3 is using an off-the-shelf video card, whereas Microsoft and ATI spent 2-3 years designing their graphics card alone. Everything you said is completely backwards.
Originally Posted by: citizenerasedX
So...xtechjunkie, apparently...sticking a 7800 into a PS3 is innovative, whereas a completely new, unified pipe architecture isnt?
Originally Posted by: aceybabe
the ps3 is the bog standard upgrade while the x360 is revolutionary in terms of planning graphics card and design.
Naw you wrong you didn’t see the TGS demonstration did you? Kojima paused it the thing zoomed in and out, spent the camera around. Used real time affects everything he demonstrated how the cell processed the filters to dirty up the scene while he showed how it looked with and with out all the wonderful effects.
I'm not talking about that trailer everyone keeps seeing. And besides that is a whole lot more proof than you going around saying its not real time or running on a ps3. Stop assuming stuff and stop saying I’m comparing it to ps3 I compared the freaking sweat to what ever Tekken was. AND for the last damn time it the sweat detail just don’t compare. Regardless if the Tekken thing was real or not you go compare the two your self. And after you stop banging your face into the monitor after seeing what I’m talking about, come back to me and apologize for saying it was just as good.
The freaking basketball game looks great I stated that in my very first comment. You don’t really know if the Mgs4 thing was real or not and, don’t want to believe it because it’s not on your beloved 360. If they showed the same demo on Xbox you would be Like, WOW that’s the best thing I’ve ever seen!….. And Konami never used pre rendered graphics in mgs before why start now? The only reason it wasn’t playable in TGS is because it was japans first time seeing it. And you talking about seeing playable games? How long has development been going on for ps3 games compared to 360, plus isn’t the ps3 due spring of next year? So you can bet your money on it, that it will be in a playable form the next Game show. When the game comes out no one will buy it because if it was a fake. I think the guy has more sense than that. It must just look so unreal to you, that your caught in disbealeaf. You the only one still talking about mgs and ps3 I taled about what was being compared to what.
I had page writing about how I know you just the biggest Microsoft fan boy ever...Plus that I wasn’t just comparing this game to ps3 but to what the first guy said it compared to. But it’s not important; I would just sound very redundant. I pretty much got my point across in my first comment.
Secondly you see the actual real time Xbox 360 pictures popping up every where that isn’t as good looking as the e3 stuff was. How they actually look like the first stages of a development than, rather a near finished product like they showed at e3.But you criticize Sony for showing fake stuff At e3. They possibly did the same thing as Microsoft, show what they expected the games to be like on in real time on their system.
Developers running into development problems no do to dev kits but but problems with the hard ware its self. You get to see Xbox 360 real time stuff for your self next month :) So be happy. The next game show you will see the exact same detail in playable games that you see now or possibly even better sense the development time for ps3 games are far less.
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It’s easy for a bunch of M$ fans to come against me and talk crap even if they know their own statements are false.
The cell has been in development for more than 10 years. And you claiming Xbox and ATI spending 2-3 years designing their graphics card lol you the one full of crap. Their whole system is off the freaking shelf, so what it has a g5 power pc with 3 cores. That’s not new. G5 is composed of old technology also IBM designed that. The freaking Cell hasn’t even been released yet. Another Thing IBM helped make in conjunction with Sony and Toshiba. Microsoft got the current Gen processor Sony will have the next Gen for sure. I heard some one comment that IBM sold Sony a bad processor IBM didn’t sell sony anything they worked on it together. All 3 companies sell computers. They all will more likely share profits. It comes next year that should tell you its more advanced than some PowerPC form a earlier IBM that was released this year.
The cell will be in all pc’s sometimes much later than the release of the ps3, its being designed for workstations, considering Ati’s card is full of crap you have 4 against two this time working on hardware, who do you really think is going to turn out on top? The R500 chip is not even as fast as the 7800. It has some nice features such as a greater memory bandwidth over the previous versions of ati cards, I admit but it only processes as good as the current video cards.
The RSX isnt off the self plus its clocked faster than the ati’s card by 50mhz with out the need of over clocking... it’s a custom built card by NVIDIA Which as of to day, it still havn’t been fully developed. (gamepro.com) and plus after the geforce 4 they did redo the architecture for the FX series and again for the 6000’s series, (Read card development on nvidia.com)
The Rsx is still more powerful than the newly released 7800 that just crushed completely everything on market. Did I mention the advantage of the cell processor is that also render graphics in real time? IT does graphics its self. That pretty much gives the ps3 the edge, it takes a lot less stress off the Rsx .Even if the Rsx is only just as good as the chip in 360 that leads sony on top . The cell and Microsoft processor can’t compare, the cell is a totally different processor.
And why is Microsoft having so many problems with the Xbox 360? Well because of the limits to the graphic card capabilities for one. Sure they have this very powerful processor but Its like what happen with Sony’s ps2 they just looked at specs and said it can do this which in terms the processor could. But when they actually started programming for it they ran up to a crap load of problems do to the limit of the graphics card., Sony isnt the one calming and going by specs alone They didn’t even mention all their specs because they are actually following their 5 year plan why jump the gun just because your competitor did?.
Sony plan to use the cell and the Rsx together possibly like some SLI . Plus that’s why they don’t share ram like Xbox is doing. The ram on board ps3 operates at 3.2ghz. You cant tell me that’s not anything new? All though we don’t see game play yet, we do see Real time stuff more effects being on screen games looking more close to what you’ll find in a Cg movie. All you see with xbox is current gen visuals… Look at the difference of the unreal engine on both systems. Running on xbox it looks like Doom 3, polygons in the head are blocky. Pay attention to it running in real time on the ps3 the developers their self say its looks like something straight out a Hollywood film.
Dev kits are still being developed for ps3; Xbox has reached its final stage of dev kits and working around the clock to get around the loop wholes them running into. Only problem ps3 is having is the lack there of.
Now get give me a break and pay attention to the real facts. Sony has a lot to back them up Not just fan boys that think the know everything. They have A team of hardware designers a big share of software developers and when you think about all that Sony has backing them up besides the fans. Sony will still be on top even if they have a bad lunch which I seriously doubt, were as if Xbox live don’t do Xbox justice. What do they have to fall back on? 1 titled called halo 3?
I think both systems are technically advanced but with all that Sony had to rely on there’s no way Sony can fail. Most of this crap about Sony going down and all this crap about Sony is spending to much money on something they don’t need is all speculations pay attention, Sony isn’t saying any of that negative stuff, its juts people as the likes of you.
M$ Fan boys...
I like M$ I think the 360 will be good. But there’s no way I’m going to say its better than something than that’s going to be released next year. In my opinion they should have gave their self more time, It seems as though they are afraid of Sony. It Xbox may could have had an advantage if they waited longer. Has Microsoft fallowed the path of dream cast? I hate to see a good system go down, do to bad planning and bad marketing strategies.