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xbox 2 is going to kill sony. sony is like nintendo - they have used up all there innovation - maybe they'll have something cool to say about ps3, but I doubt it, the microsoft guys are ramming down new ideas and thoughts faster than the sony guys know what to do with - this is the way it should be!

Well, that's not entirely true. Sony is doing all they can to hold on to the flag. They're on the defense and purely reactional. They've made the best choices they could but it's still going to be difficult for them to stay on top. They've gotten Nvidia to give them some real graphics instead of developing their "Emotion" crap. They have IBM doing their processor and it is a more applaudable design than any proccessor on the market right now. They have IBM building there Online capabilities as well. So they're make the right choices. But like the Titanic, Sony has hit the bigger and harder iceburg even though they saw the big X coming.

Sony has one game going for them
Devil May Cry 3
other than that, Sony's PS3 is a paperweight

I wouldn't completely dismiss the PS3. I think that M$ has the best strategy right now, but it's possible that Sony has the best hardware. (They sound better, but I want to see the real thing before I completely believe them).

Besides, I suspect I'll actually get both at some point: Xbox Next first, and assuming that Blu-Ray disks do well for movies, a PS3 as a Blue-Ray player later.

Sounds like the next batch of consoles is going to be amazing ;)

I just want to know about the storage situation. Harddrive...solid state...what is it?

I like the market place idea. If game companies can make a buck or two from releasing a new map they will do it. What is the incintive for a developer to release a new map or skin now? There isn't one. I'll pay 2 bucks to DL a new map and if the developer gets 2 million dollars because a million people DLed the map, you know they will make them.

That reminds me...
Can't believe we don't have new Halo2 maps yet <shaking head in a disappointed manner>

i don't think sony is a push over, remember ps2 vs. xbox how xbox will smash ps2.... well it did, but not in sales, or number of AAA titles, which is what counts for most people. It smashed them in internet conectivity, and graphics power, which apparently wasn't enough to get them over the edge, or even close. It's all about the games and a trustworthy company, don't you relize that? Having even cooler internet stuff this time won't help em anymore than last time, probably even less, cause you know ps3 is gonna have good internet capabilities this time around. And the ps3 is still gonna get all those yummy games, tekken, virtua fighters, final fantasy, grand theft autos, devil may cry, jak and daxter, ratchet and clank, and those are just some of the top titles. You can make a similar list for xbox, but names that don't sell, aren't really as good, and so forth. MS needs to get resident evil, and metal gear solid games.... and getting the game 6 monthes later is not the same.

hi whaz up i need a xbox2 can u get me 1???

Hey do u think u can make number3 make it so cool put cool cars to start out.

I hope they got the so-called perfect dark zero on launch day,that would be really nice,since halo 3 is probably gonna be released on the same day the ps3 comes out,by the way,if you guys could pick only one nintendo franchise for the xbox2,which one would it be?

Interesting thoughts maiop.

I disagree a bit though. I think internet connectivity will help SOME. When new consoles come out most people are hardcore for only one, TYPICALLY. Since PS2 came out first, a lot of people went for that. Now that people have seen XBL, people like it but probably won't give up thier PS2 investment in games, etc until the next generation consoles come out.

Sony will NEVER do a XBL style internet system because game companies don't like it. They don't get any of the profit from it. That was EA's issue. They didn't get a cut until they made the deal with MS. The deal is not public but I suspect MS gives EA a cut of the profits based on use of EA games over XBL. Sony wants to do internet but each game would connect to the game companies' servers. That means no friends list, no required voice support, and all the cool things you get from a centralized system.

I think the XBox will pick up a lot more people this time around but they can get a lot more market if they release before the PS3. People will want to get the first of the next gen consoles and, like I said before, once they get it they won't want to switch.

One last thing though. For Xbox to really be worry Sony they will have to do much better in the Japanies market. XBox games don't really appeal to that market. It is also hard to get Japanies gamer to by the American console. It is easy for us because we used to never have the choice.

Okay, I'm done now... :)

What about backwards compatibility? Any news on that?

Finally, a confirmation from Microsoft that the next Xbox will be a supercomputer (> 1 Teraflops). Holy mackerel! Does anyone know how many flops (floating operations per second) the PS3 is rated under?

I think I can answer my own question:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/585/585865p1.html?fromint=1

According to this IGN article, the PS3 can only do 256Gflops (about 1/4 of a Teraflop). This means the next Xbox can outperform the PS3 four times! If this is true, then I take back all my negative comments about the next Xbox being trounced by the PS3. The flops rating is more important than raw hardware specs, because it gives a more accurate picture of how the console will perform in the real world.

Don't get too caried away by flops. Doesn't matter how fast a processor can process if it can't get data fast enough. A processor can be rated 1 teraflop but if the buses arn't fast enough to get data to and off the processor it doesn't matter. The published ratings of the processor will always be what they made it do in a lap since it looks good for marketing. What it is able to do in an Xbox2 will be much less.

I'm not saying that it isn't a good processor, if they are going to use CELL technology like Sony I think both systems will be amazing. I'm not sure if they will use CELL but Sony is. CELL is not some stupid incremental change like Intels MMX. CELL is a complete processor architecture change and it's stupid fast.

Sorry, a bit side tracked. Anyway. I think it will be a good chip but no matter how fast the chip can go, remember, it only goes that fast if the rest of the hardware is as fast and if the game utilizes it.

I cringe at the fact you are implying that the Xbox 2 will be based on a "stupid incremental change like Intel's MMX". This is hardly the case.

It won't be Intel inside anymore for the next Xbox, as it will use three (count em) 3.0GHz PowerPC cores for its CPU. PowerPC is a joint effort by IBM/Motorola/Apple.

As far as bus speeds go, it would be a crying shame if they indeed use PCI or AGP bus speeds and not take advantage of new technologies such as PCI Express to prevent bottlenecking at the bus level.

Did you read my post? I said:

CELL is -->NOT<-- some stupid incremental change like Intels MMX.

I think the processor will be great. All I was saying is that just because a processor can go 1 teraflop doesn't mean it will. It all depends on the games and the rest of the hardware.

OK, maybe I was reading too much between the lines. What I meant was, by you saying that the Cell processor is not like a stupid incremental change like MMX, you were *IMPLYING* that the Xbox 2 processor would be like the MMX. Call me paranoid, if you will. Now that you clarified this, no harm, no foul.

In my previous posts, I marvelled at the Cell's power due to its grid computing possibilities. However, because of the nature of grid computing, you cannot claim a performance benchmark that is static, because grid computing depends on other grid computing systems to take advantage of its parallel processing power. For example, Sony claimed that it will manufacture appliances (TV? Receivers?) with built-in Cell processors. If you have a PS3, the built-in Cell chips inside these appliances will boost the computing power through wireless grid computing. What if you don't own these Sony applicances? So, your PS3 computing power will be less, and therefore not consistent with another who does own Sony Cell-chip enabled appliances? This will be a nightmare scenario for game developers, who will be forced to "dumb down" their game so that it will work on the least common denominator PS3 machine.

In contrast to the Xbox 2, it will have multi-core PowerPC teraflop chip it will use will have consistent performance, no matter what, because it won't have to depend on these other appliances as the PS3 does.

So, if I am a developer looking for the most powerful console out there, I will have to go with Xbox 2, because the performance will be solid, unlike the variable peformance nature of the Cell-powered PS3.

Do we know what kind of processor the XBox2 will use? It is from IBM as well. I thought that PS3 and XBox2 might both use CELL. Sony definitly is but MS never stated what chip they are going to use. I didn't think they could get 1 teraflop without CELL.

Yeah, good point about the grid system. I was baffeled about the distributed system. I woundered, how do you have the TV make the PS3 faster? Now that I understand CELL I still don't know how do you connect the two appliances. You could go wireless but that would be too slow right? Just seems strange. I don't see people going for it.

I doubt if Sony will let IBM use Cell technology for Xbox 2, since Sony spent a lot of their own money developing Cell technology with IBM and Toshiba. If you were Sony, and spent billions on developing Cell technology, you sure won't just give it away to your competitor (Microsoft), right?

From what I have read in other websites, Xbox 2 will be based on a three-core PowerPC processor. Currently, Xbox 2 developers are using a two-core version. PowerPC is the same CPU that is being used in Apple computers, and was originally a RISC-based CPU developed by Motorola/IBM/Apple.

I believe the Xbox 2 can achieve teraflop speeds. DirectX has evolved to the point that it could handle the hardware layer very efficiently, resulting in masterpieces like Half-Life 2 and Doom 3, which use DirectX to its full advantage.

The bandwidth of the wireless connection is indeed a factor for grid computing. However, if a TV has Cell chip inside, it can help the PS3 do some menial tasks (such as handle some of the computing workload involved in say, keeping track of scores, etc., thus freeing the PS3 CPU to focus on more intensive processing.

Regarding grid computing, I forgot to add that the PS3 can take advantage of grid computing power by having it connect to the Internet with other PS3s. The more PS3s connected out there, the higher the computing power would be. Theoretically, the flops rating can go very high with grid computing, and could very well break the 1 teraflop mark very easily. But the problem is, as I mentioned earlier, the processing speed won't be consistent, and will be dependent on the connections. If a game developer designs his game based on the highest possible scenario (thousands of PS3s connected to each other through grid computing), the game frame rate might suffer if it ran under lesser conditions (just a few PS3s connected).

I don't know. These are all still based on rumors, and maybe we all should wait for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo to reveal everything at E3.

The revolution will trounce both of its competitors with its features alone.

Nintendo's keeping very secret about the specs for its Revolution, so I can't really make a judgment on it. Will it really be a "revolutionary" machine? Or will it turn out to be another gimmick like Virtual Boy (see http://www.vidgame.net/NINTENDO/VIRTBOY.html) or an honest-to-goodness paradigm shift in videogaming history?

We will have to wait and see until E3.

The Virtual Boy was described as a system "to create a new type of gaming experience never seen before".
---http://www.cyberiapc.com/vgg/nintendo_virtualboy.htm

Sounds familar (i.e. Revolution)?

poo head

Well regardless what Sony has said, remember what they said about the Ps2's so called 'Emotion Engine' bs ? If you ask me, I think no one(no media source) are gonna get solid PS3 specs just to boost hype and sales until the thing actually comes out. MS's specs are on the table with Sony just holding their cards for as long as they can. However, if they have a mac v ersion of Dx(Whcih they probably have) Halo on Mac would probably blow the Xbox and PC version of Halo outta the park.

Did I mention I wanted to see hard machine facts and actual game videos ?

Oh, and I think it has been a little too quiet on Nintendo;s 'western front', with all the attention on MS and Sony, Nintendo can do anything they want at this time, but I want to call everyone's attention to Nintendo's major franchises and to how they will all rake in the dough had Nintendo implemented online b-band only play into them. The Pokemon Universe and Mario Kart franchises alone are enough to make a killing for Nintendo by themselves. Me thinks this upcoming console war is gonna have a few new loopholes, and another 4 Billion dollars coming along with it.

Well let me fill you guys in, apparently you got it all wrong....The Xbox 2 is going to run at 100gigaflops(w/e you call it) per second not 1teraflop LOL.( go back and read the specs again), second in my opinion everything sony does microsoft copies...Example, I remember the first time sony annouced the ps2, they said it was gonna have a harddrive, a moderm, and it was gonna play dvd, all that outta the box but for moneytary reasons they opted to cut the HDD and the modem...what MS did?, they went ahead and did exactly what sony originally planned 3years b4 the xbox came out(this is the reason MS loses more than $100 per xboxs sold today).1 more example i read back in December 2004 on EGM(magazine) that Sony was going to incorporate wireless controllers out of the box on their next systems....what am i hearing today? you guessed it.
And on top of all this now im hearing that MS is planning to stick to a grid design too...As much as i loved the xbox back when it came out and then after the months and months of disappointments(once i beat halo in legendary mode) i cant just find a reason to think that by copying what sony does again they're going to nock sony out of being the mother/father of all games...and coming out 1 or 2 years ahead of the ps3 its going to hurt them even more, remember what happened to the DC?, it couldnt even beat the PS1(the dreamcast was so much more powerfull than the ps1) and when the ps2 came out it just killed it.....I think the same thing is gonna happen again, the xbox2 comes out this year, it's going to fight with the ps2 not ps3(just like the DC/PS1 example)then ps3 comes out and BOOM, history repeats itsef again. let's not get our hopes up guys. the Xbox 2 ain't got shizzle on the ps3 so far.

Ber, where the heck did you get your 100 gigaflop data on Xbox 2? Do you even know how to calculate from giga to tera in the first place. Look in the article above. It says, "1 trillion calculations per second". 1 tera = 1 trillion. 1 teraflop = 1 trillion flops per second. 1 giga = 1 billion. 1 mega = 1 million. 1 kilo = 1 thousand.

Please, do not lecture that we "apparently got it all wrong" when you cannot distinguish between engineering units yourself. "W/e" (whatever, my arse)!

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