Playstation 3 Name Confirmation + Specs

It also does HD 1080p

2.18 teraflops ...... thats rediculous if true...

I'm sold.

hey man, i sent this.. no t-shirt :(

sorry dude, someone else got it in before u :(

But thet won't have Halo 3...

I love XBox and all but dam after looking at the specs, im sold, to get both, but obviously getting xbox, then later later on getting ps3, but microsoft, better have more tricks up their sleeves. cuz this aint gonna be an easy battle.

PS3 kills xbox360 in graphics and power, but the look of 360 and its controller kills PS3

Ok, the machine looks ok, but the controller looks like a double vibrator. Now that the PS3 has Many USB ports, i expect to hopefully MS put more USB slots on the xbox.

it may be more powerful but it will definetly cost alot more for the same graphics. i'll stick to the xbox thanx

Console looks: If it aint broke don't fix, it just looks like they made subtle canges, spider man text on the top??? don't you have an original logo.
Controller: What is that? a boomerang, that's going to be uncomfortable
Processor: Update 8-2 teraflops, what happened to that 18 billion calculation a sec
so the video card would cost $1000, I'm assuming US, cell proccessor, blu ray, bluetooth (which is expensive in NA) all in one card reader, how much am I going to pay for this, and how much will I pay for a proccessor that makes it first appearance(I'd be worried about the proccessor going on me, think about it, it's the first commercial one)

if it wasnt for those really @!*%ed up controllers it would've looked okay...
i mean seriously
at least this makes me feel better about the 360 controllers :)

- proud owner of a duke

I am not worried what so ever. I see the Xbox definetly selling more than this, this is going to hit sony fanboys hard in the wallet.

I also agree with you all, the controllers are horrible and I definetly love the 360's design over this 10x.

It doesn't have X-Box Live with 2 million subscribers. I think that Sony missed the boat again by not setting up their own online network. X-Box is 20% of the market comparted to the PS3's 43%. I think the X-Box II will continue to close the gap at Sony's expense.

The PS3 looks ok, but the controller is ridiculous. Whoever said the PS3 is more powerful "corvettekiller18" I think that assumption is incorrect. The xbox 360 has 3 core processors each running at 3.2 Ghz, with 2 threadhandlers a piece, which means the xbox 360 can divy up the operations. Also, the Xbox 360 has 512 ram vs. 256 for the PS3. Furthermore, this cell processor thing is over-hyped. It will not out-perform the xbox360 as far as raw processing power. And cost wise, sony will kill anyone's wallet regardless of the specs. The Xbox 360 is just a better choice. better processor, better memory, better color selection, and the games will rule. Final Fantasy XI, as well as Halo 3 (whenever that comes out), PGR3, DOA4, it will own. Enough said.

Ok, proprietary media, proprietary processor and $1000 video card? Right. Exactly what are they planning on charging for this thing? Sony may have just killed themselves. Microsoft, if they have to, can still afford to loose money on xbox360. In fact, Microsoft as a comapny could basically afford to give a 360 away to every one in North America and still post a profit. Sony does not have this luxury, at least, not to the extent micorsoft has.

HAHA THAT'S FUNNY!!! PS3 IS FINISHED!!! EVERYONE KNOWS THE ONLY GAMES THAT WERE HOLDING THE XBOX BACK FROM BEING #1 WAS "Square Enix", SAY GOOD BYE PS3 YOU SUCK!!!

Impressive hardware-wise, still they maybe are having leakage problems in the cell, so they are forced to de-activate a core.
256 MB? I smell bottleneck
Very fast gpu, i don't know how they're going to cool it...

But it is really amazing. They claim 2 Tflops. But considering how difficult is going to be to program, maybe the difference in performance against the 360 will be below 50%.

The programers, and game maker know something that we don't, and they are moving to the 360...

And the price...

Let's say that this little marvel costs sony 1000 usd, ans they sell it for 400. The 600 difference should be payed by the game fees.

So let's say than in order to convice developers for programing for the cell they charge a fee of 10%, something like $6 usd per game. So sony is planning that ps3 buyers are buying at least 100 games? That's just for grtting even.

Or they are going to sell the ps3 for $800... in that case, would you pay the double for 50% better graphics, and sacrifice the online gaming?

mmm...

PD. Still, hardware wise, if all works correctly, NICE!

Hmm, seems like the roles have twisted. First the ps2 with lower specs and then the xbox with better specs, now first the xbox with lower specs and then the ps3 with better specs.

Please people come on, the ones that don't admit the ps3 is faster than the xbox360 is definetly in denial.

A guy above me said the xbox360 is faster because it has 3 cpu's!! WOW, ps3 has 7
256mb bottleneck? Same story as the xbox360 10mb bottleneck!?!? It's shared ram people, they have some extremely fast ram, and some more slower ram. The blue ray discs might be a good move too. The online gaming is already confirmed by sony that it will be almost the same as X-Box live, for whoever said that, read it on Gamespot, it was said by sony itself. The calculations of this machine are amazing, way faster drawing, and 2tflops vs 1 tflop, omg!

The controller, NOOOO!!!! How am I supposed to play with that thing!?!? If you throw the controller away, it will definetly return!

And how much is this thing gonna cost!? It will probably be SOOO expensive if you check out the shit they put into it!

But if Unreal Tournament 2007 is coming on it, I just HAVE to get it :D

-Victor

Oops forgot the post right above mine, EPIC programmers (makers of the Unreal series) said it was very easy to program for ps3

The ps3 is superior to the xbox360 in power, but so was the ps2 compared to the xbox!?

This is a bit of a weird move, since why would you turn the tables if you were on the winning side? I'm so excited how this all is going to turn out :D

I like the box, as stated before the controller is well.. and everybody keeps saying price price price.. sony will buy millions .. probly of the video cards and processors, they will probly get a pretty good deal, driving down their initial price. I don't see why I wont get one. My Oblivion fix will have to end sometime.

Ow, it will probably come down to the same thing again for me. Next week I'm gonna buy X-Box, then me is gonna save some money, then buy X-Box360, and by the time the PS3 is ready, I will have enough money to buy that one. How I love my hobby :)

I think Microsoft had best be very very careful, because the Xbox 360 looks very underpowered right now; being first to market is great; and having better games is great as well... until the the next piece of hardware that comes along is 2 times more powerful with the games to support its case - can you say Dreamcast?
The Xbox is the only system I own, and I bought it because microsoft was really pushing the envelope with this system; but I'm a little dissapointed with the 360's specs after hearing about the PS3 - it trounces the 360 in every spec! 51 billion (PS3) dot product operations compared to 9 billion (Xbox 360) is not good for Microsoft. Also, The current generation ATI X850 does 43 billion shader ops a sec - the 360's ATI chip does 48 billion shader ops a second; I don't think that is a huge leap over current technology (at leat not in that department), but the PS3 doubles that with 100 bilion (now that is nice). I feel Microsoft may have dropped the ball in the long-term battle with this unit.
just my thoughts, anyway.

cough* Dreamcast cough*

Zaratustra, good points, well spoken

There are good arguments all around. I see it like this. PS3, you are a monster, no doubt about it. The specs if applicable to a real computation are retarded. But can they break and saddle you?

A developer from Epic says you are easy to work with...
But so many developers are toting the 360? Loving its design platform and XNA solution. Microsoft knew what they needed to woo game developers. XNA lets them make games faster , and therefor money faster too. At the end of the day this is a business.

Do we even know how to make either of these consoles perform their best at launch? I doubt it. I once heard it said that even the Xbox still has unseen potential. Hell, apparently they accomplished Normal-Mapping on the Ps2 (Path of Neo) , which I find pretty damn crazy.

360 you have Live services and a clearly defined strategy.
Ps3...will be able to connect to the internet!...I mean...wow. Sony, are you telling me your leaving online up to developers again?

Ps3, what are you gonna cost me? You have at least 3 new cutting edge technologies not available to commercial computing. Either I'm gonna have to drop trousers to own you, or Sony is gonna have to take a huge risk and bury those costs.

Finally... Sony, what's up with the double dong?

It's definately very impressive. M$ really needs to make the most of their early release.

The specs of both systems is extremely impressive - I doubt you'll see much of a difference game wise until 2 or 3 years out - except in regards to the advantage of the Blue-ray disk - I bet someone is going to start using the extra space immediately, even if it only means that they use 10GB for a game.

Of course, Xbox still has a good chance, as mentioned earlier the hardware differences seem to be a reversal of the current situation.

Adding a router to the PS3 seems to be something of a waste, it's nice but nothing that I really expect to see used.

The bluetooth controllers is actually a little interesting to me, particularly since I was guessing that the xbox was actually using bluetooth 2 from the description (voice and controller connections, 2.4ghz frequency with frequency hopping to avoid existing wireless connections). I'm sure that 3rd party controllers will look more managable.

The dual screen setup is very interesting. I don't see it being used that much, but I'm sure some people will get to use it. Going fully dual screen likely takes away the speed advantage of the nVidia gpu.

The biggest problem that I can see is that the PS3 will likely cost a fortune. I expect a US release to be at 500$ or so, the Japanese market will likely pay more on the order of 700$ (at launch anyway). I suspect that the Xbox 360 will be 300$ at most, maybe only 250$ if they're really pushing.

*pukes at PS3 design*

Oh, I hadn't noticed - the speed of the PS3 isn't quite as fast as they've stated, though it is still definately faster than the Xbox 360

"RSX will be the most sophisticated graphics processor ever built, representing 1500 person-years of investment. When combined with Cell, it will provide an astounding two teraflops of floating point horsepower," said Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO of Nvidia.

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050516_223209.html

So, the cell processor isn't generating 2 teraflops, that measurment includes both the cell and the video processor in the PS3. Of course, perhaps M$ is doing the same math, but I'd certainly assumed that the microsoft measurement was just for the processor (I'd never considered including my video card as part of the processing power of my pc - aside for the brief moment that I had a 110 Mhz TNT video card inside a 100 Mhz pentium ;) ).

Oh, and according to The Register, the Xbox 360 is also using bluetooth for their wireless controllers. Perhaps, the reason they don't allow 7 controllers as well is that they are providing for the possibility of wireless headsets to go along with every controller?

"And like the Microsoft box, the new Sony machine uses Bluetooth-based wireless controllers."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/17/sony_unveils_ps3/

Didnt i tell yall? Xbox360=DC...on top of that xbox360 is only going to compete against the ps2 not the ps3 lol. MS has to outthrone the ps2 first which is like i said b4 IMPOSIBLE based on the games that are still coming out on it(GrandiaIII,RE4,Phantasy Star online=the most loved online game on earth idk why tho,FF12,Dragon quest VIII i mean it's ridiculous thats only 5 of the many).
Damn now that i think about it Xbox360 is coming out in November and the ps3 is coming out in march next year, that only gives MS 4 months to sell MILLIONS and MILLIONS of xbox360s in order for them to have an advantage on sony. I mean dragos said that that was MS strategy no?.

I think everyone hear is missing one very "BIG" point....

At the end of the day the average gamer will not know or care about the specs of the 2 machines. They will only see the games..... Now combine that train of thought with the fact that developers will have almost a year advance in programming on the 360 and you can kinda predict the end results. By the time the PS3 comes out the 360 graphics and gameplay will be in its second stage, which means the games will look just as good if not better than the PS3 launch titles. In this generation online gaming will decide who comes out on top, not tech specs...... Halo 3 at PS3 launch coupled with the undoubtedly high $$$ for the PS3 will nullify everything.

No Worries... Our 360 investments will do just fine.....

If you truly believe those PS3 numbers you must have been in a coma the last 5 years. Sony never follows thru
on their specs and Epic hasnt produced 1 game yet for the PS3 and it would be easy to them, those guys really can program well.
Howeva every body else wont squeeze all the power out of this machine if it can do what it says.

The Unreal 3 engine is the best around and M$ has already many games in development exploiting its power.

Blu-ray will be an unused drive like the PS2 Hard drive slot. Im guessing the 1st and 2nd gen PS3 games will still be on DVD
cause PS3 has to support it for backwards compatibility. Also publishers will follow sonys 1st parties results on it.

PS3 has no built in hard drive, I AINT going back to memory cards fellow gamers and WHY WHY WHY would you?

Also PS3 has no standards most of its games may come in 480p cause devs dont have to go above it.

Ps3 online psp thing is a joke.

The system alraedy is looking like its overheating and it aint even been played yet.

WHy WHy WHY screw up the DUAL SHOCK shoulder buttons, I like the face buttons but the rest, NO.

How come Sony still places its D-Pad as its official way of controlling games? I know it has two control sticks but
why not put one where the D-pad is and move the other over. That aint change its going backwards, even
nintendo uses its main control ler and not the Dpad.

Well, Ber, I hope you can finally clam up and stop ranting on about specs. Because if everyone knew that Halo 2 graphics where capcable on the Xbox at launch, then the console war would be undoubtedlu different. Obviously Sony is gonna screw up like they did with the PSP(too expensive). The PSP launch was so-so even against the DS. But this is about consoles...not handhelds. Anyway Sony is putting too much into their systems (PSP and now PS3 apparently) and I am not saying no one will buy it, I am saying that Sony's numbers will be down unless they can get that console under $500(USD), which I dont really see it happeneing being basically a big media gaming center. I am predicting the console war now....

Sony will blow everyone out of the water if their fanbase will buy the expensive stuff. It WILL be expensive and will have media thats only readable by the PS3.

I refuse to buy a console over the $375-$500 mark. If Xbox is miraculously $300(USD) then gosh darn it, Xbox365. I 'll wait for Sony's to drop( about $50) before I get it. But I may be too busy with Xbox and XBL. Be ready for a slugfest everyone, be ready !!! Bring bottomless wallets as well.

P.S. What is Nintendo doing ? I want to know !!! And the design and the controller sucks for the PS3, I hope that the above pics are phony, for their sake.

By the way, Tim Sweeny probably got paid to say that the PS3 is easy to program for. Remeber , this is Sony, the developers of wickedly hard consoles to program for. thats the reason for Driver 2 to see several delays. Oh, and anyone who has an Xbox and Ps2 and wants GTA: SA on Xbox, just sell your PS2 copy today and get a full refund, the Xbox version will make you forget about the Ps2 version.

My question is, How much for the PS3 developers kit. The PS2's developers kit was an outrageous $10,000. That's nearly 33 times the actual cost of the launch price of the PS2. This is the main reason that Sony HAS to make the PS3 backwards compatible. Developers aren't going to pay $17,000 for another developers kit. I'll put money on the fact that 87% to 93% of developers will program for the PS3 using the PS2's developers kit.

Programming for the PS2 was noted to be extreemly difficult mainly because of the in house manufacturing of the processor. At least Sony realized that they needed to have input from NVIDIA on this one .... so they did learn something from Microsoft!

I think thAT power vs cost will equalize the merrits of both systems. at $3-$4 hundred the xbox360 is a fantastic value because it's already better then any $3000 souped up pc out there. sonys specs, even with sony using their own manufacturing site will cost them dearly. the gpu alone is valued at $600 plus.

xbox 360 is more than 10 times more powerful than the original box. and with solid support from 3rd party developers, there's no way gamers won't get their entertainment dollars worth. It will be 4-5 years before sony can even develop a game that is so far advanced that the 360 couldnt play it. and by then we will see the xbox 360 flexibilty negate even that advantage.

the xbox 360 was created with incredible flexibility so there is still room for it's capabilities to grow exponentially. I would be amazed if sony could match the next xbox's price point with it's current capabilities. and with hardware this impressive who could tell the difference anyway?

we all knew the ps3 would be awesome. sony even bragged that the ps3 would be 100 times more powerful than anything else out there. and in reality it's not even 2 times more powerful than the new box.

it's maybe 1.65x times more powerful at best. and only the most avid computer engineers will be able to coax any noticable difference from the next gen platform.

the biggest advantage it has is the optical storage(that absolutely no one can afford right now), and who will spend 3-4 years and $150 million dollars making a game that will take advantage of the ps3 hardware? I'm not even a fan boy but any business man could see that the xbox 360 will be able to hang with anything the ps3 can dish out. So why the hurt face? there is no need to try to measure your dicks against ps3 campaigners anyway.

it's like the genesis vs the nintendo (that was more powerful at the time) and you know who won that battle. sega ended up ahead but lost later on because every year they kept coming out with bullsh*t unnecessary hardware. (like 32x)

the new box will be fine. and I personally will not wait till 2006 to play next gen games(if the ps3 price is fair enough I may get one later) but for now, me and my house will be playing next gen games after thanksgiving on the box(LOL)... peace.

Remember SONY Still have the advantage ie:

The market...
most ppl will see the playstation name and buy.
Most none techy ppl have just started to realize xbox is faster than PS2.
Everyone ive spoken to said they are not going to get XBOX 2 and wait for PS3 instead.

PS3 will still have more game support, even tho Microsoft have done real well in getting more developers on side.

im pro Xbox and anit PS2. i think ps2 specs where a joke.
But PS3 features have not got me running back to sony. What got me sold:
- Blue ray :-D
- Raw power and GPU
- Price isnt too bad $450 ish ppl are saying
- Game demos are awsome, developers at E3 said its easy to develop for so XBOX has lost that
advantage.

i think XBOX360 will go like the DREAMCAST. The early PS3 Demos blow away everythign ive seen for the xbox360

i may end up buying both lol

Hehe, first someone says hey developers gonna like the xbox360 because it is easy to program, then someone says, hey the quality of ps3 will go down because it has no HD standard, kinda opposits don't you think =)

Also the PS3 had a Unreal Tournament 2007 demo, the xbox didn't. Also sony didn't brag it will be 100x faster than the xbox360, the psfanboys did. Costs shouldn't be a point of discussion after the news today. And someone said it will not have a harddrive :S !? Guess he saw a different press conference than Sony's =)

Anyway my point, check both conference's, they pretty much show the differences.

X-Box, popular!?, reaching non-gamers!?, can do alot more than gaming!?, x-box live
PS3 extreme gaming

For the moment, the ps3 will be more loved for the simple reason, people who want to chat and shop instead of gaming, will not follow the E3 news =)

Actually sony didn't say the ps3 would be 100 times more powerful than a modern pc, they said it would be 1000 times more powerful than a home computer. and that comment was printed by several major mags like EGM. (go check the archives, it's well documented)

Also the games shown for the ps3 used CG prerendered movies only.....Except for possibly one or two of the games shown by sony, almost every movie was comprised of CG renders only, not the actuall "in -game" engine.

sony provided no actual videos from "in-game engine" play except for maybe Fight Night, and Unreal 2007 which didn't look any better than "Gears Of War".

the reported hard drive attatchment was nowhere to be found. and sony "claimed" it holds "up to" 160gb. but they never produced it, neither were they able to demonstrate any of it's multimedia interface features (other than some outlandish movie of a screen that contained hundreds of other screens)

More hype.

They had these dry scientist types pointing at graphs, equations, and numbers with more "spin" added than a presidential election champaign (you believe every thing you see?)

There is more to actually know about the xbox 360, ......hard facts and practical demonstration of its features,.. this exposure of the "truth" will benefit M$ in the long run.

once the smoke and mirrors clears,.. the truth will become apparent. and that truth is "M$ will be more than capable of taking care of itself over the next few months",.. Yes you can quote me on that.

the ps3 will have a online system like xbox live and it will have a detchable harddrive. the cost will be close on both systems it is reported that the ps3 will start around 450$ and xbox360 will be in the same price range. that picture in not the confirmed system of the confirmed controller. ps3 won't release for like another year so change can happen plus they might upgrade the system, so then it will really be way better than the xbox360. to the looks of it know things are not looking up for the 360, the people at e3 are actually calling it xbox 1.5 because the sya it is not that much of a leap from the tecnology they currently are using on the xbox

its over for xbox the only people who will by it are the halo nerds who don't do anything but play that all day

about the controller? it looks bad but i think it will be fine. sony invented the best video game controller ever used with their previous systems so any change in a controller will be an upgrade.
xbox fans can't talk about controllers because when the system came out it was almost un playable because of the big-ass controllers

I dont even like HALO
im might switch camps to PS
i mean theres not one decent F1 game on teh xbox
PS3 has :-D

Remember that specs don't always mean anything. The Xbox is a 32b processor and the PS2 has a 128b processor. The cell chip is untested technology, just like the one in the PS2 and may not deliver the real world stuff it is supposed to.

From the vids that I have seen so far, the only real games shown are running on the Xbox 360. Meaning they actually have demo or build games you can actually play. The PS3 only has vids, no real games. They say that they are all running in real time, but they also could be telling lies. The rumor is that the PS3 is going to be selling for almost $500.

Either way, only time will tell which of the three consoles will be better, if any. Right now all have their good points and bad points.

And on the 1080p being added, oooo, let me rush out and buy a special TV that supports that mode, since 99% of HDTVs dont support that mode. In fact a lot of projection hdtvs, especially the older ones, don't even support 720p, which M$ consides to be HDTV.

ps3 is better then xbox360

Ok let me clarify something here...You guys have been saying that yall already know what the xbox360 is all about and sh!t, yall been saying that the only real games you saw were running on the xbox360 only, but like 1-2 days ago it came to light that all those games you saw were all glitchy and fuked up(they were prolly videos after all)...I remember yall say that sony is lying about the specs on the ps3 but you're not 100% sure of that, on the other hand now yall are 100% sure that what MS showed was not even close to what they made yall think lol. I think you guys should just stfu...Oh, I think someone here said that it's very diffucult to program for the ps2 and that's why they delay games on the ps2...what do you have to say about ALL of the games that get delayed on the xbox for 1 and 2.5 years sometimes?(halo2,brute force, ninja gaiden and most of their games) including all the games RARE was supposed to make for the xbox1; they've delayed them so much that they're coming out for the xbox360(and im pretty sure they're gonna come out like a year after the xbox360 comes out too).

Is there some specific reason that HALF of these posts are from PS3 fanatics?

Whether or not the PS3 fanboys come over here and try to raise a ruckus, the best thing to do is realize this:

1). The PS3 is a year from launch and a LOT can happen to make the system different. The only people that know whether or not the PS3 footage is real are the people that made the demos.
2). The Xbox 360 is over 6 mos from launch. So even though there isn't too much they can do hardware-wise, all of the beautiful games we saw running at E3 were of In-game footage. The kits that devs have are only a third of what the 360 can do. Look at Forza and realize that the processor in it is a 733MHz Pentium...

Bottom line here is that both systems are powerful. The most important thing here is the same as it's always been - the GAMES.

Now can we stop all the trolling? It's fairly pointless, and it's just a waste of everyone's time :D.

1. what the hell r all these sony fanboys doin on a xbox site ?
2. Its all about the games, what games do sony have?
3. This is microsoft, if u don't think that they knew that sony was gonna try to make a supercomputer ( how long have we known about the cell chip ?) and they still put out the 360 first, you know they got something up there sleeve

MICROSOFT- THEY DO NOT PLAN ON LOSING!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. has any one forgot that there are other versions of the 360 coming out ? I'm sure this is just the inexpensive version for the casual gamers, so it can be out for this holiday season. Xbox360 HD anyone ?

Mmmm voice? go read that interview again....

hey ps3 sony fanboy's (pat's ber on the back) have u seen those games on ps3 ! yeah me niether , but i here it sure does have some nice ass CG.

P.S. is the system even real or is it still just on paper?

its nice but im a xbox fan and i have to stay with the x boys. it is a nice system but i dont care for its looks

XBOX360 = 1.9 TFLOPS
PS3 = 2 TFLOPS

XBOX360 = output to 1080p (it's just not their TARGET for the MASS PUBLIC.)

Both things above are confirmed true. PERIOD. (by the way, the tflop ratings are based on how SONY measured. Realistically, they would be this...

XBOX360 = 1.1 TFLOPS
PS3 = 1.2 TFLOPS

^^ That's what they REALLY are, as PS3 counted their shaders SEPARATELY, where XBOX360 counted them unified. If you separate each side and separate them like Sony did, the two consoles are VERRRRY close in specs. PERIOD. Done. Game over. Complete. End.

look at this @!*%ing nerd "^^ That's what they REALLY are, as PS3 counted their shaders SEPARATELY, where XBOX360 counted them unified. If you separate each side and separate them like Sony did, the two consoles are VERRRRY close in specs. PERIOD. Done. Game over. Complete. End."

P.S. shut the hell up

now i we'll probably get both systems but when ps3 comes out i am scrapping the xbox" piece of shit"

for all the ps3 fans this is just a preview of the xbox 360 wait until more games come out.(biaches)
p.s the xbox cost less then ps3 it only cost $300 and ps3 cost$450.

get off this site you damn ps fans

Source: VIDEOGAMES.COM

Comment From: Brian Ekberg
Sports Editor

Hi there, Xbox 360. Boy that was a nice shiny 15 minutes you had there, wasn't it? That whole MTV thing was fun--I liked all the bands especially; they were a riot. And the way your sexy sleek design has that sort of "inhale" design aspect to it. Pretty cool. I think Carson Daly thinks so too. Only one thing was missing--something sort of important. You know...footage. I saw plenty of people talking about the console and its potential but didn't see much action in the way of gameplay.

Then there was today's PS3 unveiling--sure it was probably too long, and if I saw one more PowerPoint slide describing Cell architecture I was going to scream. But then there was that eight-minute little chunk of heaven called the game demo reel, and what a reel it was--especially that harrowing Killzone footage. Hell, it was as if Kaz and the Gang were dipping directly into my mind this evening, framing the demo with two racing games--F1 and a jam-packed Gran Turismo 5 that had my blood pumping. I feel bad even mentioning games like Metal Gear 4 and Tekken 6, just because it kinda seems unfair right now.

It's amazing how perceptions can change over the course of a day. This morning, I thought that Bill Gates' Time Magazine quote that Halo 3 would meet the PS3 head-on on launch day was a brilliant idea. Now I'm not so sure. With all the heavyweight software Sony boasted today, it may be too much for even Master Chief to handle

LOL, I guess yall gonna call this guy a psfanboy too HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

well ber could stand for brian ekberg I wouldn't be suprised. Also all this stuff about the tera flops which is pretty much even because the sony ps3 used the graphics and computing power to figure that out.

So here is one thing no one has touched on which makes half the game...THE SOUND.

ps3 dobly 5.1,dts xbox 360 multi channel 5.1 up to 8.1 fiber optic audio

graphic card ps3:550 mhz xbox 360:500 mhz the card used ed ram which is store in the computer die and also takes more from the 512 ram of the system which may be upgraded in a later model of the xbox 360.

Also have you noticed xbox 360 has about 45 games listed and most will be at launch the rest in march.the games on gamestop are listed to come out 11/1/2005.

what im seeing is xbox be brave and most of their games don't have a number 2 or higher beside them which means they will be refreshing and new im getting tired of franchise games.i want new shit.

also with capcom and square enix xbox 360 will own can you imagine a high def megaman game, resident evil 5,final fantasy 13 on x360 and ps3.new game from square enix on xbox 360 one was announced already. also could ff xi be free no monthly charge.

The specs use different stuff but they are pretty evenly matched the guy who said counting processor power its 1.1 ps3 to 1.0 xbox 360 thats not much of a difference and they wont even tap into that extra .1 of a teraflop.

I will have xbox 360 and ps3 and possibly the revolution when more is revealed on the games and specs.Would be funny if the revolution had the highest specs.

oh yeah how can u beat free xbox live for silver membership???

just a follow up the word ber is in berg so maybe thats why u made that your sn.

i think xbox 360 will blow PS3 out in the first week after it is out in the shops

All this talk of PS3 specs is rubbish. The PS3 has the slightly more advanced CPU (it's another version of IBM's PowerPC chip, the same chip used in the Xbox 360), but the 360 has a faster and more able GPU (with Smart Memory). Sony releases specs, and in reality, the PS3 is not the most advanced hardware.

im a little worried that xbox is leaving out its hardcore gamers and starting to get our moms and girlfreinds to buy a 360

xbox 360 will sell 10 million the first week

its funny how all the xbox fans make dumb excuses why the ps3 is more powerful than the 360

as it turns out the xbox 360 is the more powerful system. (see the new updated comparison on IGN or major nelsons blog)

already got mine preordered and will be playing next gen after thanksgiving 2005 BABY!!!!!

thanx grandaddaygame looks like no one vists ign to see the that 360 comes out on top when it really comes down to it. Blue ray for more space for more movies during a game thanx but no thanx keep that over priced junk. Xbox 360 will pass ps3 this time round in sells, online gaming is already years ahead of sony and for all those madden sports fan who have a ps2 u can't tell they are going to wait another 6 months to play madden next gen when they can buy 360 and play it now on a more powerful game system which it stated by ign. Looks like 360 rules to me.

this for all the sony fan boys go here and see specs vs specs and see for your self xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

even without the tech argument notorious Big D, I would still get an xbox360, because i need that mutlimedia expertise and xbox live. I still can't believe how good the original xbox games are (currently playing Jade Empire). ... and the xbox 2 is 10x better. count me in.

lol you guys are not serious,mate you forgot to see the last paragraph of the article it says...

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So, that's Microsoft's analysis. What do you make of it? Tell us what you think on the boards.

lol Thats MICROSOFTS analysis what else you expect?And look the words they use in the article ,propably ,maybe...What else can i say? This analysis is a joke,cause its microsofts analysis.

And another thing...if im a PS fun only BECAUSE of the games,I play mostly RPG jap origin,and PS there is unstopable..but even if the sony has almost twise the power its not bad for us all ps or xbox funs,because this push the microsoft or sony to make better products for us,So we are the winners,and even if sony or microsoft win i dont care much,i care only for competition that drives them to make better products :)

lol i always forgot...and another thing for a guy who say 1tf is only the xbox cpu its totally wrong just go to ati and see the specs its 1tf overall performace this includes cpu and gpu,and ps3 overall is 2.18,guys at least on paper the Ps3 is far superior,and im not talking as a fun here,but because i dont rely much on what the companies say about their products,ill wait to see if what they claim is true.

Thanks for the honest feedback arfi-gorgona, I truly appreciate your opinion. (this is what the web is for right?)

Personally I base my trust of the m$ post because of the integrity of the source. Sony has said as recently as 6 months ago that the cell would be 1000 times more powerful than a home pc. ..a very highly exaggerated claim if ever there was one. and in last month, gaming mags featured statements by sony spokemen saying the cell based architecture would be at least 100 times more power than a home pc

these types of boasts are really hard to ignore when placed in mags with an international subscription base.

and then sony attempts to slam m$ despite having no playable games, and a medley of CG clips. THE MOST RIDICULOUS BEING FLOATING DUCKS IN A BATHTUB, that demo could have run on the original xbox.

I truly wanted to see a game console that was nearly the equal to a CRAY supercomputer(AS PER SONY'S CLAIMS)
but again we were mislead by sony labcoats spouting more inconclusive hyperbole(bs)

Gee. I wonder, ... how many ducks could the xbox 360 float in swimming pool, or maybe a beach. ... Alas,... I'm afraid we may never know.(only the most diehard fan boy would truly give a dam)

I think sony has a good machine on the way, but don't promise me filet mignon all year long and then give me hamburger at the last minute and then tell me it's steak.

when sony begins operating with a level of integrity that's already been exhibited by m$ (who brought all they had to show even though it was running on alpha ware an not quite ready)
then I would be willing to endorse the credibility of their claims. my xbox360 is preordered already,..so if i'm not to busy playing all the new games coming this holiday, i may take a closer look at sony somewhere down the line. But right now sony doesn't have my respect as a consumer at this point in the game.

however i still expect sony to do well. (for a while)

Man you know that both of them lies or alter the reality to serve their purposes,I trust none of them and i mean NONE,as i stated before im a Ps fun just for the RPGs,but i hope that both of them stay in the game so we can see good products,because if either one of them leave the console market,we are the ones with the real problem lol,and even if i dont like ms for a various reasons,i say that if ms wasnt in the game then maybe the next jen of consoles are in par with the old xbox,i think you know what i mean :) MS isnt an angel did you see the crappy article from microsoft in IGN?Even one with a basic knowledge in hardware can see its totaly wrong,its like compare apples to pigeons or something lol...dont forget that the xbox is 6 months in front of the Ps3 so the games are almost ready (and even their games are beta as i hear),i think thats a reason why sony didnt have games on the machine,To tell you the truth i know that the companies say many lies or dont say the exact truth but,if by a minor chance is almost 2x more powerfull then we are all so damn lucky (i cross my fingers),you know the hope dies last...And i hope for better gaming expirience. And sorry for my english guys :)

If you like see this site this guys are very good at analysis,we canlearn something from them :)

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23228

actually arfi, I disagree,... it doesn't take an engineer to interpret m$'s comparison with the ps3( 0n ign) to know that the comparison given by sony ps3 was skewed.

neither do you have to know boolean algebra to comprehend the difference between the value of floating points, intergers, and 3d vectors as it relates to 3d graphical computation power to know that sony indeed wanted to plant doubts in the minds of consumers regarding the x360 with their derisive presentation.

m$'s comparison was much more realistic. and to be fair, and it was even calculated on the conservative side of the equation because there were still specific unknowns that couldn't be factored in. (I don't blame them for responding with their own feedback)

Is M$ the savior of mankind, no,.. do they want to take over the world,... of course,..
but their credibility as a company and accountability as the world's premiere software/operatingsystem provider is already clearly established. (otherwise they wouldn't have paid out 56billion in dividends to shareholders recently2004) a company with so much money it didn't know what to do with it all so M$ gave it back.

it took sony 4 years to finally become accountable for the hundreds of thousands of defective ps2's it sold, and that was only because it was becoming increasingly more visible in the press and the eyes of the public. then and only then did sony offer a fair replacement/repair process.

sony is just now paying off the maker of the rumble gizmo thats inside all of todays controllers(sued for patent infringment), they had to be dragged into court. M$ settled out of court several years ago.

and don't get me started on what michael jackson said sony did to him LOL. (or what I had to do to get my sony alarm clock replaced)

point is ,...i'm more inclined to believe M$ than sony any day. especially when all they have is a BATH TUB FULL ON DUCKS to use as evidence in an e3presentation. LOL

anyway I'm done with this topic, (my legal brief is starting to swell up),.. thanks for the posts(isn't free speech grand!?)

Well then youre the only one who disagree if you see the link i provide all the guys say otherwise :) And in my account their opinion matters alot cause they re know what they saying,almost all of them do this as a job,and the knowledge they have is way too far from us..so i trust their opinion more,And its not only the ducks man lol its the city the landscape and the beautiful forest :) its healthy to disagree after all either i or you know for sure the truth
but microsoft to be honest is like sience fiction lol well time will tell,and we will see if xbox360 (silly name btw 360?) or Ps3 are up to what the companies claim they are :) Take care.

thanasis

on the ign site t says that the comparisons that microsoft sent them are skewed by who, microsoft. looks like xbox fan boys and microsoft can't stand that ps3 is more powerful. so what do they do they send all this fake info to keep the fans they already have and to try and keep them from running to playstation. thats what most of you will be doing when the ps3 comes out, when you see how much beter it is, "except the halo nerds." do you think ps3 would let them get that much an advantage as those comparisons say, think about it. "next gen starts when the 360 come out, but a whole new generation starts when the ps3 comes out."

Hey.

I recently read on the teamxbox site thst news of a developer factor 5 that had moved from developing games from xbox360 to ps3.i have also heard off a few people that other major developers have also made the same move but its mainly the smaller games developers that are moving though as they have more to lose and they feel that ps3 is a better console naturaly whan i heard this i was reall concerned.Do they know something we dont know like which console is better?

I know that xbox 360 is going to be amazing but why after all the talk of xbox 360 exclusives from these developers have they pulled out?

I have my xbox360 preordered but i am begining to think will ps3 be a better choice.

Well I thought I was done but there still seems to be yet a little life left in this thread.

Come on arfi-g,... the site you referred me to was POSTED BY some joker that calls himself jaws,.. what does he do??, bootleg dvd's for a living while giving out "shade tree" tech advice (probably with a mouse in one hand and a blunt in the other), Come on man, I know you can get better evidence than that???

as for the people that agree with you, half of them couldn't even drive around the block without asking their mom for her car keys and a $5 dollar bill for gas. therefore they're not even allowed to have opinions,... Even Hitler had followers.

and who,s talking up factor 5?? they made 2 games ,..both for nintendo, ... one of 'em sucked, (and the other was ok depending on who you talk to) ...It's surprising that "Gears of War" can be made on x360, and the amazing physics-busting, polygon-evicerating, graphics engine powering Psuedo Interactives' (balls to the walls) title "Full Auto" can utilize the blazing fractal forces of the x360's chip set, ....but Factor 5 claims it didn't have enough juice to make their own mediocre game go. (too funny) no one should be suprised by Factor 5 switching teams, they won't be the last company to give sony a blow job before this war is over.

It would take Factor 5, a full five years to create a game that comes even close maxing out the x360's resources. hell.... it's already taken real proven professionals like Id and Valve close to 3 whole years to finish Doom3 and Halflife2 for the original box.

It's time for all you ps fanboys (not talking about you arfi ) to pause for a collective group hug, you'll need it to gain the strength you'll require to facilitate your pro sony fight in the months to come. sony is displaying a huge amount of anxiety over x360 (SONY KNOW'S THIS AINT NO DREAMCAST BABY!!!!) It also doesn't help that sony will lose nearly $300 per unit, that would be 3 billion dollars sony loses to sell 10 million cells (see the article in techworld). and sony don't got bank like M$

but nothing personal fella's, it's all about the games. I'm almost ready to give my xbox away and just go cold turkey till the x360 is released. { like somebody already said, we all win, in this war} HEY HOW MANY DUCKS CAN AN XBOX FLOAT IN A BATH TUB??!!! LOL!

MS is years ahead of sony with oline gaming, its plan and simple and thats where the future of gaming is going. I expect that MS will pass sony this time around and not to knock the PS3 fanboy club, but if u like PS3 buy it or if u like 360 then get it. As for me I plan to get both, unless sonys price is too high for my taste.

nicely said Big D

Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

There are three critical performance aspects of a console:

Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.

The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.

Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance

The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.

Memory System Bandwidth

The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times.


The Xbox 360's CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one.


Cell's claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors.


The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3's. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance.


Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360's (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

A lot of people get angry at Major Nelson for the spec comparison, just remember that it wasn't him that did it, it was Microsoft's own technicaly team that did. Maj is just the messenger boy.

grandaddygame please note............IM NOT A F**KING PS FANBOY RIGHT!!.

I was just saying what i found on this site and it also seems wierd that another company Hudsonsoft now they only develope titles for PS3 they may have just developed 2 games both nintendo but why is it that microsoft is losing all these small companys.I am not a playstation fanboy i am just making an observation i would love it if microsoft crushed sony.

xbox 360 is a cool name not a silly name ps3 is just a boring name for a next gen console then its ps4 and ps5 wow hard to predict.

also its called xbox 360 cuz microsoft is gonna run circles around ps3. with preorders alone xbox will have sold about 10 million. ill be enjoying my dead or alive 4 in november.

if you go to xbox.com they announced starting aug 28 caps will have codes on mountain dew bottles and someone every 10 minutes will win an xbox 360 before they are released this will go on every 10 minutes for 9 weeks straight.

lol MS is willing to give away their system (just like they did with the xbox) just to make a install base and then they'd say that they sold all these units the same day and shit lol(I remember MS gave the US ARMY and NAVY and all the US gorv things more xbox1s than you can count lol, then they were saying that they sold A LOT of systems HAHAHA MS's funny)

i wonder what the next xbox willl be called after 360 maybe xbox720? i mean really who gives a damn about the name.

Well Death Droid, it's all right. speak your piece. if I offended you, then you have my heart felt appollogies. wipe the tears from your eyes, hold your head up, and keep gaming man. and keep bringing your opinions, .. the truth shall yet be revealed.

ps3 is whack it will never compare a xbox the controls are so gay their copying microsoft.

ps3 really means piece of $hit 3

I have both sony2+xbox gaming sytems. And both of my kids and i love them. sony3 xbox2 bring them on . somebody should intergrade the 2 so u could have compititions that would be sweet games between the 2 consols

the playstation has nothin against the all and Mighty XBOX 360!

FU playstation makers!

Where will it all come down too? Original Playstation and Sega Saturn, the Saturn had the better features and processing power, only problem is that there wasn't enough 3rd party support. Saturn was also a very difficult system to program for. PS2 versus Xbox, 32bit xbox, 128bit ps2, as far as the games look there's almost no difference, xbox being a lil bit better looking. So people are debating about specs. But i have to tell you something pretty simple, Sony and M$ are basically delivering the same graphics, but doing it differently. It's almost like getting a shipment by truck or by air and only living 100 miles away from the warehouse, almost no difference right? My point is this, both systems are going to deliver the same thing, all it comes down to is just how smoth the game runs, and the support it will have. Sony's name brand will push it, M$ already has a fan base (halo3), We shouldn't bash on the other side, Competition is good for the consumer because in the end we all win.

Resident evil remake on the Gamecube looks very very impressive, that's the only reason why i bought a gamecube just for that game. I was going to buy a PS2 only because gran tourismo was on it. I bought an axbox only because i didn't like memory cards. In the end it's all really about what we all want... and we all win.

hey, too all you ps3 boys, first of all read ign... the ps3 isnt telling you the full story of the sucky ps3... and also on gamespot sony said there self, that the ps3 is not a gaming machine.???????????? what is that? then what is it????????? i think its confused with tring to be spiderman...... and let be honest with you. has any one used bluetooth? i have and hate it, my cell phone to computer its slow and it sucks and some times doesnt work. and im sure you used a cordless phone and they always work............. and x360 is backed by a man by the name of mr bill gates... and he has something like 50 billion $$$$$$$$$
he has more money than sonys floting point crap.... but read ign and then you'll find out that microsoft had all there masterbating tech_e people find out what the cell can do and its awesome to see and read... and the best part is ign backs them up........ sony sucks remember ps2 ( TOY STORY LIKE GRAPHICS ) well i owned one and i couldnt even play the toy story dvd at a constand 30 frames a sec... sony has lied before and what is going to stop them again????????
oh wait, and remember killzone 2? can any one way prerenderd... its sad really and so sum it all up

( HALO )

ps, my halo2 name is dr evil 007 send me a invite and ill play anytime... ps, sony sucks monkey, you know the rest..........

also with the ps3, and there 1080p claims, if any of you know anything about hdtv, then you will know that most hdtv's now a days will upconvert the signal to lets say if you have a 720p tv, then a 480i signal would be upconverted to a 720p signal, and the same goes for 50% of 1080i tv's and 100% time with 1080p tv's. they all will upconvert.. to what ever tv's 720p, 1080i or 1080p you have.
if i owned a 1080p tv even my gamecube and xbox and even n64 would be in 1080p..... so sony can clain it does 1080 p as a standard. but the thing they fale to mention is that 75% of the ps3 users will only use a 480i tv or in other words a piece of crap tv, and only 25% will use a 720p or 1080i tv. no one who has a ps3 will ever own a 1080p tv becasue a cheap one is $6,500.00, and the good 1080p tv's are about $10,000.00 to $20,000.00. i predict that 1080p will be cool and afordble in the xbox 720 and ps4 days. but for almost all of us will have to get small loans form the bank to even think about buying a ps3, and to really buy one, you will have to think what do i want this year? a small car or a playstation 3!!!!!

dont get me wrong i will buy both, just becasue i can aford them both easy. but its fun to think that sony sucks with there lies, and dont any one forget that the ps2 could do ( TOY STORY LIKE GRAPHICS )... if you get one thing out of this is that my old school nintendo (NES) could claim 1080p as a standard, becasue 1080 p tv's will upconvert anything and 2nd no one will own a 1080p tv to even prove it wrong.....................so on that note i will give sony props for 1uping m$ on that 1080p crap.....

Havn't you noticed that at xbox fan sites, there are always topics saying the ps3 sucks, xbox is more powereful, and making stupid comments knocking the specs that ps3 has and xbox doesn't, or ps3 has better and xbox doesn't. If you go to a ps3 fansite you never will see topics like the xbox sucks, or ps3 is more powerful, because they already know the ps3 is more powerful. so on xbox sites the members make stupid comments about both systems to make yourselves feel better about the system of your choice, which is xbox360, because you know it is going to be the weaker system.

thats all i have to say

BOOOMM!.

Every mutha@!*%a in on dis @!*%in forum n bitches and dumb as hell, mainly PS fanboys. THE PS3 pricing is goin be too expensive. ITs already estimated its goin run around $500 to $600. And these are all the shit dat makes it expensive:
Cell Processor $1000
Bluetooth technology $700
RSX syntheresiser $2200
.........
add all dis shit up and wat da PS3 supposely will be capable of doin and its doin be a fact dis shit goin cost alot.
XBOX360 is da shit.It has everything. And da reason da gamez showed werent up to par was cuz da developerment kits were only beta kits and those had bugz.

THIS HOUSE IS CLEAN!!!

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ALL YOU SICK ADDICTED X-BOX FANS, OPEN YOUR EYEBALLS PS3 IS 2 TIMES MORE POWERFULL THEN THE X-BOX .
PS3 WILL BE THE BEST THING TECHNOLOGY HAS EVER BUILT .
I HAVE TO SAY ONE MORE THING U ALL BILL GATES SERVANTS ,PS3 WILL HAVE A DVD-ROM WITH 56 GIGABYTES OF SPACE CALLED BLUE-RAY A NEW TYPE OF DVD MADE BY SONY ONLY FOR THE PS3 ,WITH A DVD ROM(BLUE-RAY DISC) WITH 12 TIMES MORE SPACE THEN THE NORMAL ONES USED ON X-BOX 360 AND REVOLUTION (NINTENDO) .CONCLUSION SONY UNDISPUTED CHAMPION , PS3 WILL MAKE FORGET X-BOX

PS3 HAS ALWAYS WON SINCE THE LAUNCH OF THE PLAYSTATION 1 BACK IN 94 ,15 YEARS OF WORLD DOMINATION .
PS3 THE BEST THING TECHNOLOGY HAS EVER BUILT!!! BELIEVE IT I SELL PCS

all u ps3 lovers out there the graphics r going to be good on ps3 or 360 i dont care if the ps3 is more powerful i just want the best online for consle and ps3 will not be any compatition for the 360 when it will come to online and thats what matters the most fags so get that throw ur skull

SOLID SNAKE ALL YOU SELL IS BS! I wouldn't care if you sold positronic brains for captain Piccard in the Deltra Quandrant to the BORG!,... the truth is,.. many of those on this site will be plugging into a live community of over 2million gamers right out of the box,.. we'll be demoing games, down loading content, and communicating via xbox live voice chat(for free BABY).

AND(GOLD MEMBERS WILL BE) LISTENING TO the staccatto blasts of 50plus guns blazing simultaneously on Perfect Dark 0, and the insane caccophony of crunching metal-on-metal amist the exploding masonry AND shattering debri that IS Full Auto (in all it's complex physics laden glory) AS IT DROWNS OUT THE WAILING, SHREIKING CRIES OF ENRAGED PS FAN BOYS EVERYWHERE.

Its funny, you guys take time to visit an xbox site, and attempt to sabotage M$'s New box with explosive seeds of doubt and confusion.

you and your kind are like Fundamentalist Suicide Bombers on a Kamikazi ATTACK mission,
you don't mind making yourselves look like complete ASS'S(while losing any shred of credibility you might have had in the process) as long as you can infect someone else with you flawed thinking.

Preorders for xbox360 are going quite well thankyou, and will increase dramatically the closer we get to holiday 05',

the power and capability of the system is not even issue any more. and the fact that it's an incredible piece of hardware has already been established.

SO YOU might as well live with it and enjoy the games.

you all x-box fundamentalists ,bill gates dogs ,even if the x box360was a total piece of crap u would still love it ,thats how bill gates controls your minds with online ilusions , that makes me sick
SONY FOREVER AHAHAHAHAH

GO BUY A PC ITS BETTER TO PLAY ONLINE GRAND OLD DADDY, YOU SURE SOUND LIKE AND X-BOX FUNDAMENTALIST I INFORM AND SEE TECH SPECS BEFORE JUDGING , DIDNT SAY THE XBOX-360 IS A CRAP JUST ONESTLY SAID THE PS3 IS MORE POWERFULL ,MUCH MORE LAMMER
GRAND OLD DADDY

AND I COME HERE TO TELL IT TO ALL U FUNDAMENTALIST X-BOX FANS
WEE WILL SEE WHO WILL THE FINAL WORDS AT THE END

BIL GATES GO MAKE CELL PHONES ,CONSOLES ARE NOT FOR U I HAD THE X-BOX AND IT ONESTLY SUCKED ,PC BASED CONSOLE THATS BILL GATES MODJO . LEARN FROM SONY WITH ITS CELL PROCESSOR AND CO-PROCESSOR RSX REALITY SINTHETIZER NOTHING EVER SEEN BEFORE ON A PC

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http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/
and also interview with MS engineers >>> http://www.major-nelson.com/blogcast/mnr-5-26-05-mp3.mp3
XBOX 360 / PLAYSTATION 3 PERFORMANCE COMPARISON

SUMMARY
Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.

There are three critical performance aspects of a console:
• Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
o The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
• Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
o The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
• Memory System Bandwidth
o The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3’s by five times.

The Xbox 360’s CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one.

Cell’s claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors.

The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3’s. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance.

Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360’s (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

I have closed comments on this series of posts, except part 4 in order to keep the discussion around this in one area

Be careful Solid Snake, or they'll be calling the little red and white mental health services ambulance for you soon.

If had known you were under 15 years of age,.. I'd never even responded to your post.

I close my argument,.. "THE TRUTH SHALL BE REVEALED".

(thanks for some clarification xxghost)

i hope u guys no that xbox live for the 360 is not free out of the box people get this fact throw ur head. its only free up to a certain point and dont ask me what certain point that is but u still have to pay for multiplayer and by what they mean free out of the box is free chat and other shit like that and yea ps3 is so @!*%ing gay i mean just look at the controller cum on

xbox is the best and i just wish all u ps2 @!*% fags out there would just like xbox and put sony to sleep they @!*%ing sux a big gook dick ok

and i hope all u ps2 fan fags on this website ur on an xbox365.com website

plus nintendo revolution is going to sux because last year they were saying that the wave of the future is not in online gaming r u fugin smokeing rocks gaming online is the best way to go now a days nintendo is about online what the fug

back to xbox and how its going to flippin dominate the gaming world

i just want to know how much the 360 is going to be i have herd $400 bucks but i dont know if that statement is true or write back soon if u know how much the fugin thing is going to be

and if u want to play me in splinter cell or any other game because i have evry xbox live game my tag is bidme and i live in greenbay wisconsin baby peace

yes the system will be backward compatable but only with the top xbox games does that make any sence to u or no

if u dont belive me about the backward compadability i watch g4 tv all the mother fuggin time and thats what the guy said when he was talking about the 360 plus did u know that u can own ur own busnise (<-----spelled rong) on the 360 and sell ur own shit on it and i hope u guys know that when they say xbox live is free its only free up to a certain point u have to pay foe the multi play and again its 50 big ones a year

i to am a ps2 owner and all it does is collect dust but i just wanted to say i dont know if any of u ever played ps2 online but its fuggin funny when u try to tell ps2 people online that xbox live is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times better than ps2 online and the only excuse that they can come up with is u have to pay 50 buck a year. o my fuggin god i make that in like 3 hrs so quit ur bitching and get an xbox ok
ps i own an xbox dont think i like that shity ps2 siting on my table im going to get ride of it in the next day or 2 to put more money on my 360 and i would pre order fast because i live in a small city of about 50,000 and the only eb games in our city is getting 45 360's and there all gone since the day e3 started so get money on those things fast ok peace

also i hate it when people say i like ps2 for the library. yea they do have a bigger library than xbox but the shit games that r produced for the ps2 sux

plus nintendo would be better if they dropped the kid gloves or let more 3rd party game developers play a bigger role and nintendo used to say online is not the wave of the future for the gameing world hello ur last in the race for gamers playing ur console. here r the stats for the systems.

ps2...56.3% of gameing population
xbox...24.8% of gameing population
cube...18.8% of gameing population

nintendo get ride of mario and get a hell of alot better games or ur never getin my

its all to see ,just testing your x-box fanatic addiction !!1 lol
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WHO CARE ABOUT ONLINE GAMING ,ITS STILL NOT A REALITY
"COMPLETELY" YOU DONT BUY X-BOX TO PLAY ONLINE

So SOLID SNAKE 4 if you're so convinced of ps3's superiority, go and rejoyce yourself in a ps3 site, and discuss with your fellas how the cell is going to make you loose your virginity, been handsome, make your car ( or your bike) faster, erradicate AIDS, clean the air, save the whales, makes you taller and richer, etc cause cell is capable of that an more.

By the way you call us "fundamentalist" when you're the one who is atacking us... maybe you're not that stupid, and you are noticing that your PS utopia is falling into pieces, and you are in denial, being agressive and senseless... so sad.

By the way, maybe you haven't noticed but sony is not a charity organization, they are a hughe company who make a lot of money selling shity products to people like you, that feel that buying sony is getting the better stuff, c'mon sony is a consumers brand, often if not always being overlaped by matsushita, lg, samsung, etc and far far far away from state of the art brands like bang and olufsen, marantz, denon, etc. But there is a lot of idiotic people like you who can't affor the best stuff and feel that paying more for equal to inferior electronics is the way to go.

PS1 was strong because it was a cheap option against nintendo, for consumers and developers. PS2 succes was absed on that. PS3 is based on the hype.

Do you remember the emotion engine hype? Its 128 bits is goingo to blast 32 bit cpu in the xbox, graphics will look like in a pixar movie, etc ? Like always the nice people of sony delivered what they promise...

But that's sony strategy, giving you irrelevant facts to confuse people, nad by the way, do you know the e3 demos were prerendered? I mean, that's ok, if you admit it is, not make all people believe otherwise.

So you sell pc's, you know what are you talkin about... that and the "i work in gamestop" argument is not funny anymore. Feeling sorry for your clients.

But if you really know anything about pc's you shoul know that 7 spe is not the same tha 3 ppe processors. Obviously the cell is going to be faster in floting point operations, so if you're going to work with CAD take the ps3 cuase is going to be a 20 to 30 % faster than xbox in floting point, in the case that nvidia finishes the rsx and performs as expected...

Both are two different architectures, obviously each one claiming being the most powerfull, but in the end, the difference is going to be so small ( i believe in microsoft's favor) that no one would notice.

It's all about the games. Micrisoft have already convinced a lot of developers to work for them, forget your exclusivities, even the japanese programers are realizing the future succes of the 360, which, by the way, will be in the market earlier...

And please, dont start with the backward compatibility stuff. It will have BC, but if you know how emulation works, you should realize that 100% is not easy, so they are trying that the best games are being emulated, but they not mean they're going to be the only ones. Get it?

And about online gaming... I do like playing onlime with my pc, but xbox live is completely different, you don't have an idea.
Really. You can't discuss it. Online it's the future for you...xbox gamers are already there.

I said.

sorry for the typos and grammar, it's 11:46 AM in monday and i'm returning from a friday party on my beach house... hehehe

Keep it clean guys, would hate to interfere in the doings of mortals.

The PS3 will without a doubt be powerful, but what the PS2 held over Xbox was the selection of games... and thats aparently going to shit for them. They don't have an internet service comparable to Live, which will sell over a lot of people. Square Enix was a big deal for a lot of people, myself included. My reasoning for getting a PS2 was so that I could play my FF games. Now Hironobu Sakaguchi, the original creator of the Final Fantasy series, has left Square Enix and is in a company called MistWalker, who will be making games for the Xbox 360... you'll need to watch out for them. I'm already excited at the potential that company has, especially with Akira Toriyama under their wing as a character designer.

im gonna stay with Solid Snake 4 on this one, ps3 rulz over xbox, and GATES saying that halo 3 will release the same day as ps3 is a pretty bad idea, because the sales of the ps3 iz gonna crush the sales of halo 3, he betta think what he is up to.

by the way, sony calls it supercomputer for entertainment, it gonna do something real big with SOE that xbox will never regret and they are planning to crank up entertainment so keep on the look out.

-SONY RULZ EARTH

ok sonyrulzearth, we know you're really the heckler formerly know as solid snake 4,.. ..starving for attention are you???

Mistwalker seems to be collecting the "Creme of the Crop" by getting Akira signed on. I'm looking for good things from the Mistwalker Group.

Seriously... what the hell do you guys gain from coming into this forum to leave a message as simple and demeaning to yourself as "ps3 rulz over xbox?"

Anyway, MistWalker has that Blue Dragon game or w/e it's called coming for the 360 and I couldn't be more excited to get a possible new RPG franchise out there

better a PC to play online without any doubt

and mister xx ghosts xx is a big big lier ,or you need glasses when u read, cause u know the truth haahahahah

ATARI THE TRUE FORM OF POWER
LOL
AHAHAHAHA

ehh no, im not Solid Snake 4, im just a nother fan of Sony

Any Hardcore gamer will tell you that the PS3 will without a doubt be the best next gen system, I already play most Xbox games with my PC, why would I want X360? when most of the games are on PC anyway. I have a Highend gameing PC because I'm a hardcore gamer, I also have PS2 (due to be replaced by PS3) I surgest the people who are in my position for gameing to go with PS3, for the simple fact, the exclusive games. PC + X360 arent a very good match when it comes to gameing, most of the games will be on PC, keyboard/mouse = superior control, PC = free online gameing, PC also has way more downloadable content than Xbox. All you Xbots need to wake up and see, PS3 is the true next gen console along with a highend PC that does much more stuff that a stupid ipod looking box, with graphics similar to this gen.

BTW to all you xbots, who dont like Playstation followers in your forum, dont post stuff about PS3, and expect it not to come up in a google search, because thats how I came by this forum, searching for news in google. To remind all you Xbots in here, people are discussing "Playstation 3 Name Confirmation + Specs" or are you so dumb that you forgot?

BLUE-RAY TECHNOLOGY PPL 56GB ON A DVD ,ANOTHER LEVEL!!!

PC GAMER U ARE WAY BACK WITH INFORMATION!

PC GAMER U DONT PLAY CONSOLES! TRUE?

Not at moment no, I sold my PS2 2 weeks ago, wanted to make sure I got a good price for it before PS3 arrives. What do you mean by "U ARE WAY BACK WITH INFORMATION!" I know X360 is a waste of money, fair enough, X360 is getting Gears of war Exclusive to Xbox360, but I can live without that 1 game.

But look at all the games comeing to PC and PS3, I also plan on getting PSP once its released here in the UK. I am actualy missing my PS2, I loved playing GT4, MGS3 and GTA San Andreas, its a good thing I sold the system to a mate of mine so I can still play those games, just not as often as I'd like to, I'm also gonna miss the great game God of war, but my mate said he would lend me the console, when he gets the game, so everything is fine for me, I'm also looking forward to Stalker on the PC.

SOLID SNAKE 4, do you know what XNA is? its what both PC and X360 will use for next gen games, makeing ports from PC to X360 or X360 games to PC much easier, meaning more X360 games comeing to PC and when it comes to controls in a game, I prefere keyboard/mouse.

The Only next gen system I see worth buying is the PS3, for its exclusive content. I'm realy looking forward to Killzone 2, even tho I will have to use that awfull joypad (wish they'd stuck with the dualshock 2) I can see this been a big seller, I'm also curious to find out what Naughty Dog are gonna bring to the new console, Insomniac are makeing a FPS'er, which I probably wont bother with, if it had been another platformer maybe Insomniacs new game would have interested me. MGS4 will be amazing, I love this series and looking forward to a new GTA game aswell as GT5, which is supposed to include damage modeling, I hope so.

SOLID SNAKE 4: I forgot to mention, read this:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2005/05/tdk_develops_10.html

I'm not the one who is way back with information ;)

TDK create's 2x writeable 4 layer Blu-ray prototype disk's, which hold a whopping 100gig.

sonyrulz, pc gamer, solid snake 4, we all know you're all the same pre-teen kid, go get a life kid, you lost any credibility you might have had 45 posts ago.

It was funny 48 hours ago, now its just downright pathetic.