Xbox 2 Specs Leaked By Mercury News

X-box rules........yes @!*% to give my 10 cents...

the word they blanked out was f.i.r.s.t don´t no why?

No hard disk f##k ya!!! THATS WHY I LOVE MY XBOX!!

If MS does not put in a HD this will be a flop. Furthermore, they should up the memory to 512k hands down. Most PC games are now asking for 256K as a min on top games. In two years 512 will be the norm. If MS beats SONY to market SONY will have to put similar products in the PS3 and the systems will cost about the same. The PS3 may cost even more will the insane push to Cell technology. Only time will tell.

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these people are retarded if they take the hard drive off the next xbox.
if they release it earlier more people will by xbox next. PS2 sukcs so much A@S i ve gotten 8 of my freinds to trade their PS2 in for a XBOX. so i think if they release it earlier they will sell double the amount of xbox 1n´s debut. if they do everything else they saide they would change is good. they will also sell more xbox next´s if they make more halo games.









PS2 is horrible: dont you agree

• no hard drive, this could impact gamers dramatically. surely sony will install a hard disc in their elusive PS3...

• compatability?...shit! this is a must!...come on Bill, you must do what is right for all of us, more games too. i don´t believe it will be non-compatible, this is a mis-nomer.

• we need an input for the next BOX to go into our PC monitors too, for HDTV!

• and release halo 2 NOW!!!!!!!!!

PS2 did fine without a hard drive but I would miss it for the in game soundtracks. They could make a small attachable hard drive part of the LIVE kit I guess. With all the crybabies bitching about paying for DLC maybe MS has decided they won´t make enough money off DLC to bother with it on the Xbox 2.

I am fine with the non backwards compatibility but without a HD then XBL for XB2 will suck..no new maps...no fixes for rushed games and no MMORPGs (where would you store the updates) very bad idea...HD are so cheap now adays that hell they could keep the 10gig ones for really really cheap

Reguardless of what gets leaked, there is still no doubt to me that Xbox2 will play Xbox games and that it will contain a HDD. The HDD is the what gives Xbox Live it´s punch. They will not think for more than a minute to disguard it! Backwards compatibility is given. Write and damn API the triple 64-bit processors and pay the rights.... done... no maintanance cost, no-one bitching.

well.. NO HDD means NO BUY for me

I DON´T BELIEVE THAT $H!T!!!!

I´LL WAIT FOR MORE NEW´S ON THE HARD DRIVE THING!!!!

think about it this way, if its not backwards compatible and has no hard drive, then the best console online service may not continue, thats right think about life with no XBOX LIVE!!

well thats not enough ram so hopefully it has 512mb of it or the sytem will be held back like xbox is strting to be held back now by a lack of ram, and no hdd that is completely retarded, hopefully this isn´t true.

I think the information is distorted...a misdirection by MS perhaps?

256mbsof ram? 512mbs of ram? For crying out loud my PC has 2gb of ram and its going to be more than a "killer console".

Hahahahahahaahahahahaaaa...

The harddisk is a must or some type of storage save for maps,ect. Granted out of every game out their the HD isnt being that utilized like it should. Its TO BIG! If they decide to scrap it I really dont know how it would effect XBL.
I really like the idea of not spending money on simple memory cards. When I can save the game to the HD. Xbox M.cards are used to transfer data if anything. If they decide to put in the HD no more then 10G like this one.
Backwards compatibility.... I dont really care for it either way. I wouldnt sell my Xbox even if I had Xbox2.

Of course I think this entire article is Bull too. ;)

The HDD May be a add on

why are so many people worried about backwards compatability? What, are you going to sell your Xbox when the new one comes out? I buy a new systems to play NEW games, not my old ones.

I hope they leave it out to save $ that they can spend on other things (ie keeping the HD intact) or for something else.

I agree with nick 100%

Xbox lifespan just got shortened you pussies

I swear, if xbox doesnt make its newer system backwards compatible with its current games you will see mine on ebay with all my (twenty in total)games i also own a ps2 with about half as many games if you only include ps2 games (cant forget my ps1 games) other wise its more of a three to one ratio, i like the xbox but its harder to want to own one when games like grand theft auto come out for the xbox a year later, when ive already play out/through it on ps2. granted xbox is an awsome system i play it more than my ps2 but on that note i am also able to buy psone games i wasnt able to get at an earlier stage in life and still play them on my ps2 which is what i still do from time to time. its one of those things that makes owning a ps2 over an xbox nice...well that and i dont have to buy a remote to watch dvd´s on my ps2 either. i may sound like i like the ps2 more but f**k no i dont. I love my xbox but with as much as i spend on it i couldnt justify adding yet another system to my cluttered shelf (six and all)not including my dvd player and all. point being and a good selling point to all, at least from my experiance working at gamestop a Big reason why people buy ps2´s over xbox is backwords compatibility.

People Buy PS2 because it´s made buy Sony an entertainment as opossed to MS which is a Software Company that plagued with Bugs in Windows

People Buy PS2 because its made by Sony " An Entertainment Company" as oppossed to MS which is a Software Company Thats Pluaged with bugs and viruses in Windows.....Windows in X2 God help it.

I would rather pay for a better system, then get a half-done Xbox 1.5. Don´t cheep people out. I want quality. Sure cost is a facter, but so is quality. Why did more people bought a Xbox over a Gamecube? It wasn´t the price........Just my thoughts

I think this is another Microsft scheme to build up the comments over the Internet, which is what´s been working so far for them. Remember SJRF combo? Then HALO lowering its price followed by HALO1.5?
Well I guess you haven´t figured it out. Microsoft is leaking this, or kind of misleading all of us to think the XBOX Next is not going to be backward compatible and with zero HDD and less RAM, but think of this...if you begin spreading the word that it won´t have those things and Microsft comes telling it WILL, everyone´s going to be preaching Microsoft for being soooo good to gamers everywhere, thus building more hype for the company and getting more people into believing the XBOX miracle....yes, I know haha I´ve exagerated some bits but hey I think I got it right...
XBOX Next is going to rock...and I think they´ll leave us impressed when they come up telling us it will have everything we think it won´t have.

What ever the case may be with the next xbox I think the big M will come correct with the tech specs! Sony is # 1 for a reason hype and fad!"

recall - I don´t think this is the same as those rumors you mentioned this was printed by the San Jose Mecury News.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/7849191.htm

Let me say flattly that no HD and no backwards compatibility signals a total change of statagy for the Xbox team. I am a big fan of the xbox, partially becuase I am a computer engineer and I think that a game console based on the x86 architecture** with a HD, a steller vidio card and great online service is hella cool.
All the cool true gamers that convinced the buisness minds in MS to make the xbox and sell it at a loss don´t work their any more. It is clear to me that the descisions being made now look good on paper and are probably being made by buiness men and not engineers.
If xbox2 is not Backwards compatable and does not have a HD I don´t think I will buy it. I am an xbox fan heck I was a beta tester for Live. The HD is impotant for many reasons @!*%ly DC secondly music theirdly the promise of improved functionality delivered in thr form of SW. Mostly its the little things having a HD allow like in HALO when it does not stop the game during a massive level to load ever, or how it remembers things in games like where a gun was left or dead body even on a really big level. Also I would think they would xbox 2 to be able to interface with tv and record shows and thing like a tivo how are your going to do that with no HD. Ok I am rambaling.
Backwards compatibilty is great selling point but I don´t think it really means that much to me. I allready have an xbox and if your using an IBM proccesor then backwards compatiblity would be waistfull of cpu cycles cus you would have to emulate the x86 in SW.

**not that I am big fan x86 but it makes sense to me cus MS has dominated all SW on x86 heck thats what they do.

if MS is asking the development studios for advice, then its more then likely there will be much more RAM in Xbox2; which from a development stand-point, is one of the most important aspects of game making- plenty of memory
the disk drive is nice, but not all that important (i want it though!!)

Well I personally want a HDD drive. I can live without Backwards Compatability but the HDD drive is a must. If its making their machine so big, why not use Lap top Hardrives? I´m not going to be wasting my money on Memory cards which corrupt etc and have to buy hundreds of them and keep swaping em round. No, if Xbox do this and PS3 follow, I´ll buy neither and get N5.

i think i said it best "no hard disk f##k ya"

I can´t belive Microsoft would take a back step and get rid of the harddrive. Apart from anything else it would be a backwards step for there online gaming. No downloads, no friends list no patches, no dedicated interlinked service. Trying to do all that on a memory card would be completly inpractical.

also the fact it may not be backwards compatable... This seems to be a big issue with a lot of people, personnaly I can´t see a problem with making it not backwards compatable. I would rather they pushed forward rather than looked back....
As for the rest of the spec I would imagin that will keep changing untill much closer to release date. Wasn´t the Xbox going to be a 600cpu? and they upped it to 733.

THEY SHOULD GIVE US THE CHOICE OF GETTING A HARD DRIVE.

HAVE A SLOT FOR AN EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE.

IN ALL MANY SIZES.

WELL XBOX 365 MAYBE YOU SHOULD EMAIL THEM THIS INFO...

PLEASE...

No an Add on would be cr@p.. It HAS to be standard for the developers to use it..........

if the xbox dont have a hard disc then the ps3 will win and pompey rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no hard drive,no DVD, no compatibility. sounds like a piece of junk.

This is the turning point for MS. This will be their second attempt at the home console world. Anyone can have ONE wonder. Hell, Sega even had one good system for it´s time. THe question is if MS can get there thumbs out of their a@@es and produces what people want. We all know in advance that they are going to lose money on the hardware. It´s the software where ALL the money and profit is made. We need a system that we WANT to buy games for, not a half-a@@ excuse solely to increase profit......Just my thoughts Prince William Gates......

i think and believe the xbox is gonne have the hdd noi matter what get leaked. ms know they will screw up big time without it. imagine pgr without all the options or halo or no downlowd contents..no way ms..think

No HDD??? wtf... Xbox wont be the same without a HDD! Its so practical, cause u can store music, make soundtracks, savegames( hate those flash things, maps and other downloads... Eksternal HDD no way, thats just like the flash things that sony uses... I dont realy care about that compability thing, but the dvd kit should be compatible with the xbox2 or have a intigrated dvd player... Ram should atleast be 512Mb... Im a big xbox fan, but this article piss me of!!!

The HD is what makes XBox SOOOO great. Downloadable content is just an amazing plus, and I use my own music whenever a game supoorts it.
Also, if its backward compatible and will systemlink with my current box, they´ll get sales of 2nd copies of games from me so I can play on the both machines on the lan.

I smell a rat at MS.Some little paper pushing yes man crunching numbers and calling xbox 2 "that game thingy we are working on"There is a reason the guys that brought us the xbox are gone,there new boos of there dept is an a$#hole,with noo vision.If MS is really in this for the long term,than thay better find someone that can plan long term to run the game dept and send the new jerk back to xp world

I SURE HOPE THEY ARE LISTENING...... IT MUST !!! HAVE A HARD DRIVE !!!! If it doesnt.... the PS3 will for sure and thats a big draw... however im sure that Sony still will not have a good online system going and LIVE will be the way to go, but an external harddrive as an option would be a must if its not built in

No Hard disk. Better start shopping for a PS3. If I don´t like what they come out with, I will keep my xbox and promptly buy a PS3.

IF SO SCREW THE PS3 I WOULD BUY THE N5.

if they can´t do better than this, I will just buy halo 2, and play it until xbox 3, that is if they make another one after this crap. If it comes out with the current specs. I will be buying a different console. Sorry microsoft you are a bunch of idiots. TRY THINKING ABOUT US THE GAMERS.

WTF? no HD if there´s not HD then there´s no use for LIVE? i mean think about it NO LIVE NO HD no fun playing together!!

I cannot believe that Microsoft would cut their own throat by taking out the hard drive and the ability to run and download stuff from xbox live , the two things which in most peoples minds sold the @!*% console . I mean The hard drive along with the specs was the main reason for me getting the @!*% one and I have to say up until reading this article I was Microsoft all the way . I like many of your other people that have commented on this can live without the backwards compatibility but without a hard drive I just see no way of keeping xbox live as good as it is currently running . Plus I hated the memory cards on the sony consoles they had a tendency to corrupt and ruin all your progress . All I can say is I am going to do a lot more reading and searching for the facts before I part with my money .The dvd they make of E3 this year will be even more essential now so I can get more information . Microsoft PLEASE KEEP THE HDD .

Why did you blank out the word f.i.r.s.t. ?

I think it makes sense not to put a HDD in there. reason being flash media price is dropping like a rock. You can buy 256megs for $70 buks CAD, by the time xbox next comes out it would be like $35. They probably keep it hdd optional, just like ps2

@!*% this, ps3 here i come.

I DON´T GET IT WAS HARD AS HELL FOR MICRO TO SELL THE XBOX AND NOW THERE GOING TO DITCH THE XBOX AND START FROM STRATCH? I WILL NOT GET AN XBOX 2 WHEN IT COMES AROUND, I WILL PROBABLY GET A PS3 IF THEY HAVE 4 PORTS 4 CONTROLLS AND A HARDDRIVE THIS TIME AROUND, IN OTHER WORDS IF PS3 IS LIKE THE ORIGINAL XBOX. PS ALWAYS HAS THE LARGE LIBRARY, LIKE IT OR NOT.

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I don´t understand, why some people are getting pansy over this. the next xbox isn´t coming out for a while. this will give M$ all the time they need to figure out what the people want. and finally to those idiots who are say, "F**k this" and "PS3 Here i come" i feel so sad for you. go cry to your mums theres no room for bitching here.

no hard drive no dvd no compatibilty.sounds like a piece of junk that you find in a garbage can.can you just see the xbox 1 without these items.whats left?very little.Msft cant be that cruel to its supporters.Maybe this article is a april fools joke.If 2 of these items are missing from xbox 2 then its good bye xbox.I can live without the dvd player.

"I think it makes sense not to put a HDD in there. reason being flash media price is dropping like a rock. You can buy 256megs for $70 buks CAD, by the time xbox next comes out it would be like $35. They probably keep it hdd optional, just like ps2 "

why would you want to pay $70 for 256megs when there are 8gigs for $50 on the HD? some people. . . :)
then it says about it being $35 later, well so will the HD price by then, wont u agree? GEEZ!!!

The HDD is the biggest selling point of the xbox (and the things it effects- i.e. custom soundtracks, xbox live with dlc). If they dump the HDD, there will be many, many disappointed x fans. This better be a publicity stunt.

I think that the rumor of MS opting for a 8 to 10 gig hard drive is the smart thing for MSFT to do. Plus they need to take a leading role in developing games that properly use the hard drive. Such as games that use more complex voice commands and not just "clear room".

In my opinion, Microsoft needs to concentrate simply on creating the best game platform possible. They say that they are in it for the long haul, so they need to back that up with an XBox 2 that has everything that the players and game developers want. If that means a hard drive and tons of RAM, then throw it in. I´m sure that I can´t speak for everyone, but for me, I don´t mind paying a little more if I´m getting a great system that game developers drool over and work hard to create compelling games.

Actually, shipping without a HD can be a good thing - so long as it means we can buy any HD (it should be S-ATA by then) and pop it into an expansion bay. Hopefully, this means we will actually have some choice in the matter - we may be able to buy whatever HD we want for it and not have to worry about replacing the bios like we currently have to when replacing the HD.

Previously, it had been suggested that the Xbox 2 will end up having DVR capabilities (and possibly either burning to Dvd like the PSX, or simply sharing over the network - like Windows Media Center Edition can currently do). I suspect that this will still be the case and a HD is absolutely required for this.

Of course, not having one standard can potentially lead so some problems as some games will not support HDs, but hopefully this will be the minority. On the bright side, M$ not spending money on a HD means that the money will go to that much more hardware.

We may find Sony doing the same thing - after all the Cell processor doesn´t sound like its going to be very cheap - they´re going to struggle to bring down costs too.

God, if they don´t have the hard drive for xbx next, i´m gonna look online for people who´ll mod their xbox and equip it with my own personal hard drive, thats all, Hard drives rule. Flash memory is too sensitive, so what if it works better, its also better at dieing on me too.

QUESTION PLEASE IS ALIENWARE COMING OUT WITH A SYSTEM

A BUDDY TOLD ME.

Does anyone even remember some departures by the XBOX team? Ahem. ED FRIES? He must have left because he knew the direction the next XBOX was going. I do agree that maybe there´s a slim chance they are leaking this to see if Ed was right about the HD/BWC issue, and I sure hope they are listening. I personally dont care about backward compatibility, as I will just play on the original XBOX if I must. I WANT A HARD DRVE THOUGH.

It´s so funny to hear idiots say "just make the Hard Drive and optional item"...what fools. they dont understand that the HD must be standard or developers wont use it in designing games.

MS had better listen up.

OK. This ´leak´ is clearly full of it. Bear with me here and let´s review some facts:

* MS wants to own your living room. Remember their TiVO competitor, Ultimate TV? See the direction they´re going with Music Mixer? No HDD in Xbox Next means no making your Xbox the center of your digital lifestyle. What I want from Xbox Next, and what MS wants, too, if you look at the direction they´re taking (Windows XP Media Edition, etc.,) is this: The Xbox is my game machine, DVD player, DVR (TiVO), DVD Burner, and Media Center. Then, they OWN your living room. Everything you do goes through your XBOX. So, you´re watching TV and your friend wants to play MechAssault 2? You get a live invitation in the corner and if you accept, your XBOX starts recording what you were watching so you don´t miss any of it, and then pops the tray open requesting your MA2 disc. When you see a show you really liked, you can burn it to DVD and keep it forever. Want to play your music collection from your PC? Use your XBOX remote to select songs or playlists and pipe it to your amplifier in digital glory. Trust me, MS sees all these possibilites and more. I see lots of advantages for MS.

* Three PPC chips? No way. We need only look as far back as the Saturn to see that multi-CPU consoles are not a good idea. Three IBM designed chips doesn´t mean CPUs. We could be seeing 1 CPU and say, networking, video processing (not graphics, but DVD and DVR stuff), and sound chips.

* MS knows that they can´t release a console peripheral and have any developers use it. Who´s using the Sony HDD? Square? Name somebody else.

* OK guys, one clue that this is just garbage is this line:
"The machine also will have about 256 megabytes of dynamic random access memory. But Microsoft will upgrade that to 512 GIGABYTES if Sony puts in more" (emphasis mine)- nobody´s putting half a terrabyte of RAM in anything in your living room any time soon. Do professionals mix up megs and gigs like that? On spec-oriented items? I don´t think so.

This is just junk. MS is not going to go backwards on their next console. They´re not going to make the HD and the network port optional. Console peripherals NEVER succeed. NEVER. The biggest console peripheral success I can think of is the Xbox communicator. And that´s because it comes with EVERY LIVE kit, so LIVE Developers know they can count on having one. The fact that Rainbow Six supports the communicator shows that Ubisoft knows their audience.

As for the time frame, launching before PS3 is a good idea, but it doesn´t guarantee success. The Dreamcast launched before PS2, and was an awesome machine. Did it matter?

Backwards compatibility is a non-issue. There aren´t enough Xbox games out there to matter to MS. If you have an Xbox and want to keep playing your Xbox games, you´ll keep doing so. They want 100 million Xbox Next owners right? So they´re not going to worry about the 13 million of us who own this generation. We´re hardcore and they know it.

Are you sure a new hdd is feasable to manufacture for less than $50? I havent seen a NEW hdd lower than $75CAD. But u can get new flash memory for as cheap as $40 (not liquidation price). It would seem flash mem is cheaper to make cause theres less & no moving parts and that also makes it more reliable - The guy whos say flash memory isnt as reliable as a hdd doesnt know what hes talkin about. Yea its not 100% rock solid and there is a RW limit, but hdd are WORSE. I´ve seen many hdd´s break down (including the one in my xbox), no flash mem yet. The MTBF for most flash is 1,000,000 hrs - HDD are around 400,000hrs. Im sure flash mem will b cheaper and the capacity will be enough for patches, dl, game saves. And if u want a HDD, M$ can keep that as an option for those that want pvr, 1000mp3 feature.
In short if flash mem capacities in the future are enough for gaming & dl, and keeps the costs down Im all for it.

WELL I FEEL KINDA UPSET THAT IT ISNT INCLUDED, BUT, I UNDERSTAND THEIR STRATEGY.. I JUST WANT XBOX NEXT TO HAVE THE AVAILABILITY FOR A HD BECAUSE I WILL BUY IT OF COURSE. WILL IT EFFECT HOW DEVELOPERS MAKE THEIR GAMES FOR XBOX? PROBABLY BUT I HOPE NOT, JUST PUT THE HD IN MICROSOFT I PROMISE TO BUY A TON OF YOUR MERCHANDISE

Holy bad news !!

MS might be setting themselves up for a fall this time around, that is if everything sticks as is. This would be extremely disatrous as we all know it. Ditch the wonderful HD? A HD is pretty standard as 4 CONTROLLER PORTS(something the PS2 shoudlve had). I would most definitley miss in game soundtracks. But frankly, Sony has enough sheep to follow them into a minefield so MS should care less about them and do what they do best and create great stuff for the people as they have been doing long before the N64 came out. As far as the other specs go, they seem pretty good, but we all know that this so called ´Cell´ processor(for the PS3) is just as overhyped as the so called ´Emotion´ chip. Sounds familiar yet ? Now correct me if I am wrong gamerz, doesnt the current Xbox use flash memory via the MEMORY CARDS ? There where games that you could transfer to your card that didnt specify it on the game case, such as Splinter Cell. Oh well...and how can Live work WITHOUT an Hard disk anyway? I bet half the people posting here(with the exception of me of course, and a notable few) questioned and scoffed the hard disk when it was listed in the specs of the current Xbox. I hope to god that this is just some early stuff and isnt set in stone.... If they change then MS will have my $$$, but erm if they dont...then uhhh....okay...time to go back to playing Burnout 2....

Dont be fooled people, the ´media´ knows a little more than they let on. Granted we havent heard too much about the Ps3 because some want to spill the beans on the other consoles just to add fuel to the fire of the Ps3 hype garbage. However, it isnt the case here....is it ? I want to hear what rubbish Sony is cranking ou this year(And I use the term ´rubbish´ loosely), and all we hear about is the silly sounding GPU called the ´Cell´. That boring as far as I am concerned. I want to hear CPU speed, memory bandwith, the pro´s and cons of the archeitecture, because we are all CONSUMERS..we are important to all businesses!!! Oh, and what about this N5 stuff ? I havent heard anything about that either....give me some links...cra.p !!

I have one more thing to say....I didnt go over this Backwards Compatibility stuff.

Backwards Compatibility is an obvious selling point. However, backwards compatibility wanst a big issue until SOny started it with CD systems. Now if there is anyone out there that can tell us all how good the SEGA Genesis made those SEAG Master system carts look please tell me how much they differed. But as far as I can tell you, I think that carts are better ´emulated´ on cart systems, rather than CD based systems considering how much of a technology leap the Genesis was from the Master system. Anyone realized that the more systems Sony cranks out, the harder it is going to be to retain backwards compatibility, meaning that the more technology develops the harder it will be to keep those standards unless Sony systems stay the same, its much like Direct X API´s. But unlike those aforementioned, Direct X is far better, and is better than OpenGL(A competeing API, non MS) in that area. Direct X is now at #9, and Direct Draw(2d mode stuff) has been merged Direct3D(3D Stuff) seemingly gone, but its still there its just a part of Direct3D like a mother and an unborn infant. But we must also remember that MS is a company that still supports older software/hardware otherwise we would have over 3000 different versions of Windows..and we all know that one version of Windows is enough.

We have to understand some things people that the new Xbox is gonna be totally different, and running a x86)IBM compatible) program on a (Apple)Mac IS not gonna work without help. So what I am saying is that in order for Sony to keep backwards compatibility, they are gonna hurt themselves in the long run. You must evolve to survive, and backwards compatibility will get stale...eventually it will.

I don´t know if MS will take any of these comments into consideration, but my loyalty will feel alittle betrayed by them if they remove the hard drive. Wasn´t this the touted selling point of this system over Sony´s PS2? If NextBox doesn´t have it, it´s hardcore fans will not buy it, & the PS2 sheep won´t give it a second glance. Microsoft can only steal away PS2 fanboys when they experience the higher quality game play of the XBox. I don´t doubt that they could probably make wonderful games with the other modus operundi but people have made a pretty good case why Live is so much better with the hard drive. I also must add I WANT the backwards compatibility for those games we all have that we´ll want to play from time to time...I don´t want to have to spend time disconnecting & reconnecting alot of systems to play on my bigscreen (whenever I get one), and why concede to Sony in this area? As far as DVD playability, well it won´t effect my purchase decision as much as the other 2 factors. It´s quality I´m looking for in a gaming system, not a cheap price....

RUMORS?

Whenever there´s a rumor about a GOOD thing, it´s not not true.

Whenever there´s a rumor about a BAD thing, it´s usually true.

THIS "NEWS" LEAK IS ALL BULLSHIT! MARK MY WORD!

THE NEXT XBOX WILL HAVE EVERYTHING IT HAS NOW AND MORE!

ONLY ON XBOX! ;)

I think the new leaks was on purpose to change sony´s decisions on its next console, its a marketing thing. No hard drive doesn´t mean it wont have some sort of storage unit, perhapes its utilizing newer technology like a MINI hard drive to save space so that the thing doesnt weight 80 pounds like xbox 1 or the fact could be a re-writable dvd drive and store data that way. Microsoft set out to be number one, they pretty much would of done that had they released xbox same time as ps2, this time around they are going for first release and with the greatest technology under the hood is almost a give me. But Halo 2 being released in fall is killing us all, come on bungie.

I´ve got your Words Marked....MS R puussies for doing this.

Xbox is my console of choice. I am a modder and know the in and outs of the whole console.
#1- If xbox doesnt put a hard drive in. I am sorry xbox but it was a nice ride and sorry you will be leaving the console industry so fast. What you should be doing is getting your head on straight MS. Yes maybe 8gb was a little big and only a few companies barely utilized the hard drive but we all know the directions and possiblities of the hard drive are endless and I believe that game programmers will catch on and use it. Especially in MMORPGs that will be present in the future on consoles.
#2- If xbox doesnt go backwards compatable. Ok I can live with this I rather not but hey I own an xbox so it wont hurt us that already own one. What it will hurt is new customers buying an xbox 2 as there @!*% xbox console ever. Surely you want them to play halo 1 and 2. But again I can see this a liveable mistake.
I know you had problems with xbox 1 MS, but dont subract options only to save money. You should be thinking how to add options that will keep you alive. It´s the little things that matter. A console that is ready to play out of the box with no memory cards needed is your competiton to sony dont change your strategy.

^^^ Learn how to spell!

Name: Waepon X is A pussy Heckler
Date: 2/4/2004
Snoop: 151.198.150.79 - RA
Comment:
I´ve got your Words Marked....MS R puussies for doing this.

STUPID KID! NO DOUBT A PS2 PUUSSY! It´s WEAPON X ASSHOLE!

NO HARD Drive? Hello PS3 where i´d just get burnt games practically everywhere

Man no HD are they mad.
Thats like taking your brain
and we all know you need it.
See what O´billy need to do is
get rid of those memory cards.
Hell I know Wont ever buy one.
Thats for sure.

Well, my take on this is that if the XBOX is not compatible with older games, then my money will be saved and I am sure PS3 will be backward compatible. My question is what is Microsoft thinking to even consider this stupid move?

Most of you are all suckers, it doesnt matter which next generation console is better, its about the games. The next generation consoles whether it be ps3 or xbox 2, will be almost identical in power. Each will have its strengths, each will have its weaknesses. In saying that the more powerful of the two, will probably only be able to add a couple of polygons here and there more than the other, but who will tell the difference. Right now you can tell with the xbox and ps2 its graphics with the xbox games looking better, but when it comes to gameplay ps2 is just ahead. I own both the xbox and ps2 and i hope they have everything available, i want quality and i will pay extra for quality. Both consoles should give it.

Weapon X is no doubt the biggest pussy I´ve ever heard of. Punk-ass Bitches don´t know what your talking about anyways.

ps2 sucks!

Give me a break. Microsoft just bought up the company that makes virtual PC for the Mac. They have the emmulation software now to run x86 code flawlessly on a Power PC. With the power of those processors, and that they will still be using an NT based system on XBox2, it will be fine. Seriously.

After all, NT4 had a Power PC version... We will have backwards compatibility through an emulation layer that might even improve the performance of the XBox 1 games.

BTW, not having a hard drive makes they sytem more durrable than XBox 1. You can drop a Gamecube hard and it still work. Try doing that with a box containing a hard drive.

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This post is kind of dead, but I don't care.
These are necessary.

512 MB of RAM at least (Some of that new 800mhz stuff or whatever it is.)

A hard drive BUILT IN, so the developers can utilize it properly, instead of guessing or just not using it at all since an external HDD would not be owned by everyone, and would be doomed like the PS2 HDD (Final Fantasy and a hard drive, how dumb was that?). A hard drive is a must, flash memory is a thing of the past, it is so inefficient. The HDD is completely necessary to improve load times, spool info off of it, store music, saves, maps, and characters, etc. I held out on buying an PS2 for a year waiting for the price to drop, then saw the XBox, and the HDD was one of my major draws. It's also completely necessary for XBL, if that is to continue.

Backwards compatibility would be great and instantly bolster the library, but if it has to be left out to make the Xbox the fastest console in the next generation, then so be it. I want to be playing Halo 3 and Ninja Gaiden 3 blazing fast and beautiful, I won't much care to play their ancestors. A new console is for NEW GAMES.
ATI is on board for sure, and their cards are the best, so I'm not worried there.

The processors sound a bit far fetched. What was it, three 3.5+s, at 64 bit? That seems a bit extreme. Affordable, average personal computers won't have that kind of speed for some time. That would also make it hellishly expensive, unless MS has something up its sleeve we don't know about.

To bytemaster: Durability is so at the bottom of anyone's list (at least how durable it is when. being dropped, which would be dumb of anyone to do) The Xbox is heavy, but it's got so much more than the 'cube or the PS2 to make up for that.

I agree with some of the above statements. Microsoft shouldn't be worried too much about extra costs and all that crap, because without backwards capatability or a hard disk drive for Live, alot of consumers will be ticked. They should worrie about what the customers want instead of cost.

First post on this issue for 2005!!
Since the release is getting closer I think the issue should be re-awakend.
Not including the 8 Gig HD would be a complete disaster for XBOX gamers. I would rather pay a little extra (cost to MS is $50 or around £25 according to the article) than pay for for flash memory which costs over £60 or $120 PER GIGABYTE in the UK.
Furthermore, not having backwards compatible games??? who's f**king bonehead idea was that??? 500 games becoming immediately unplayable to millions of gamers including BOTH Halo games!!! (That makes sense...Halo2, 3years to develop, 1 year on the market before it became unusable).
MS should get thier priorities straight and exceed customer expectations, this is a basic rule of thumb for any sales or marketing company rather than worrying about petty issues like 'if Sony do it then we'll do it, but if they don't then we won't'. What kind of attitude is that to 20 million gamers? Sony can afford to wait to see what the final XBOX specs are and then out-do MS anyway.
Sorry to say it but if that is thier attitude then maybe its worth waiting to spend my hard earned cash on a brand new PS3 next year where hundreds of games are already available cheaply & I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that. The set-up cost of owning the new XBOX would become too expensive for the average consumer (expensive console, new optional accessories, flash cards, Live (new subsciption costs) & new games for a new console are very often rediculously expensive). If they put the HD and the backward compatibility in then you only need the new console which would be much more attractive to me...